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Imageokus
Feb 17, 2010 5:58 PM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
Hi Darius,

I have been digging around in the weeds and come up with several interesting points.

First the place name Hampswaithe, doesn't appear to exist, but Hampsthwaite does, near Harrogate Yorkshire. Thwaite is an old English word, derived from Norse, for a pasture or cleared area of land. It is a common addition to place names in Northern England.
I suspect your name is a transliteration, probably done by accident in the first instance then copied and cast into history that way!!
Also the only actual place called Hollins is in Lancashire - the wrong side of the Pennine chain which forms the spine of England. However there is a Hollins Hall (and a Hollins Close) in Hampsthwaite. The current Hall may not be the original and is now a care home, but if not it indicates that there was an earlier establishment of that name. http://www.housingcare.org/housing-care/facility-info-82809-... is the current Hall.

Now people Hardisty is the contemporary spelling in the parish registers I've checked so far and Hardesty on Ancestry! I found an interesting baptism of a Thomas (too late to be yours but probably connected it is not a very common name), in Ilkley, also not too far from Harrogate on 3 Nov 1712, father George abode Middleton. This indicates a family link between the two places.
Now Middleton is the other side of York, but very close to Bossall where I have a marriage for a Thomas Hardisty and Elizabeth May on 4 July 1637 and a Francis Hardisty and Susan Foster on 15 Oct 1699.

I have a Francis buried in Otley, (which is between Harrogate and Leeds):
Text: Francis Hardesty of Farneley bur 21 Dec 1666
Book: [Burials contained in the Third Vol.] (Burial)
Collection: Yorkshire: Otley - Parish Registers (Christenings, Marriages & Burials): 1562-1672

Another couple that may interest you from Hampsthwaite:
Text: Francis Robinson & Elizabeth Hardesty both of this parish 03 Jan 1680
Book: Marriages 1678 To 1716. (Marriage)
Collection: Yorkshire: Hampstwaite - Registers of Marriages, 1603-1807, Registers of Baptisms and Burials, 1603-1794

and

Text: Francis Brunton of ye p'ish of Knaresbrough and Mary Hardesty of this p'ish after ye Banns published three severall Sundayes were lawfully married 27 Apr 1674
Book: Burials 1603 to 1644 (Burial)
Collection: Yorkshire: Hampstwaite - Registers of Marriages, 1603-1807, Registers of Baptisms and Burials, 1603-1794

I'm still looking but thought I'd record what I found as I went along or I might lose track.

Carol
Carol

Imageokus
Feb 17, 2010 6:08 PM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
I forgot to add I have an Otley baptism for a Francis Hardisty, father William 7 Jun 1637/8. This could be the chap buried in 1666

And an Otley marriage which can't be, but note the spelling!!

Text: 13 Francis Hardistie & Elizabeth Hall both of this pish marryed 27 Jun 1644
Book: [Marriages Contained in the Third Vol.] (Marriage)
Collection: Yorkshire: Otley - Parish Registers (Christenings, Marriages & Burials): 1562-1672


(Do you understand the reason for the double year?
It is due to a change in the calendar the year used to start on 1 April so Jan-March dates are recorded a year early by the modern Calendar so both are given to form an accurate record and also an understandable date)

Carol
Carol

Imageokus
Feb 17, 2010 6:25 PM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
I think I found the baptism you needed Text: Francis ye sone of Thomas Hardesty de Holins bapti. 10 Mar 1671
Book: Births and Baptisms 1653 to 1678 (Birth)
Collection: Yorkshire: Hampstwaite - Registers of Marriages, 1603-1807, Registers of Baptisms and Burials, 1603-1794

So we have Thomas OF Hollins, which ties in with it being an estate/hall if they are normally living in another town it usually says abode ....

I think the confusion in places may be this there is another Francis baptised in Hampsthwaite just slightly earlier:
Text: Francis sonn of William Hardisty baptized 11 Apr 1670
Book: Births and Baptisms 1653 to 1678 (Birth)
Collection: Yorkshire: Hampstwaite - Registers of Marriages, 1603-1807, Registers of Baptisms and Burials, 1603-1794

I should also mention that babies baptised on the day they were born were usually sickly/weak/premature and not expected to live. The odd one did survive against the odds, but most didn't. I'll look in the burial registers from another more compete but difficult to read source tomorrow.

Carol


Carol

Imageokus
Feb 17, 2010 6:35 PM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
Interesting Snippet here, the William Hardesty from Otley was a clergyman and his origins were Cornwall. The snipp is from the Oxford University Alumni register.
There is a further entry under Hardisty which I'll post below

Thumbnail by okus

Carol

Imageokus
Feb 17, 2010 6:36 PM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
second Snipp

Thumbnail by okus

Carol

Imagedarius
Feb 17, 2010 9:41 PM CST
Name: darius
SW VA Blue Ridge Mountains
My goodness, that's a LOT, both for you to find... and now for me to digest!

The mis-spelling of Hampsthwaite was my doing, sorry. I should have copied and pasted. And yes, the Francis son of Thomas of Hollins looks like my guy. ❝Whoopee!!❞ (I did know about the Julian dates, I just haven't done much work on folks more affected by the date change.)

There are a lot of Hardesty/Hardisty's here, and apparently just 2 men responsible for the earliest ones. One being my Francis, and the other is a William who came over a few years earlier but also settled near the same area of Maryland where my Francis came to live. After about 1830-1850 there was a great influx of that surname from England and Scotland, some of whom married into my line.

I suspect there is probably some family connection between the earliest 2 men, and sooner or later I shall get to looking at the William Hardesty line in this country. In the interim, I'm hoping I can document more on my Francis.

Thanks,
~darius
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Imageokus
Feb 18, 2010 5:35 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
Just out of cuiosity I ran a surname search on the UK 1841 census and came up with 423 individuals with the surname Hardisty and 206 Hardesty.
Thats everybody from 1 day to 80+ years old. The vast majority of both surnames were in Yorkshire in the Otley, Harrogate, Leeds areas though a few had spread to London and there is a strong line of Hardesty in Norfolk.
Carol

Imageokus
Feb 18, 2010 6:06 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
From the National Archives I have picked up the following interesting piece. Killinghall is now part of Hampsthwaite and where Hollins is located.

"Folder icon Bond WYL230/2159 6 Jan 1634

These documents are held at West Yorkshire Archive Service, Leeds

Contents:
Of Thomas Pott of Killinghall, labourer, William Hardistie of the same, yeoman, and David Bylton of Clint, yeoman, to William Ingilby of Ripley, Esq., in £40 to observe the covenants of an indenture between Pott and Ingilby.
(the indenture was most probably one of lease)"

The relevant definition of "Yeoman" is A farmer who cultivates his own land, especially a member of a former class of small freeholders in England. Which gives you a pointer towards his social status.

Judging from the date and location this is probably the William that is Francis grandfather.

Carol
Carol

Imageokus
Feb 18, 2010 6:25 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
This isn't directly your man but is Hampsthwaite so may well be connected.


Folder icon Bond SpSt/5/1/117 1 May 1683

These documents are held at West Yorkshire Archive Service, Bradford

Contents:
Between George Hardisty of Nabbs in the Parish of Hampsthwaite, Gent, and Robert Hardisty of Menwith Hill in the same Parish, Gent, of the one part, and Francis Wood of Ripon, Gent, of the other part; for the payment of £40.

The West Yorks Archives are linked on this page and probably offer a copying service for a small fee in you contact them. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult...
Carol

Imageokus
Feb 18, 2010 6:40 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
I have found a reference in the Fulham (London) Library Papers in the Colonial section, Date range: 1694 - 1777, that may contain something relevant:-
Repository Lambeth Palace Library
Level Item
OrderNo FP II. 235
Title Hardisty, Francis

This record is part of the following collection:
Level Title
Fonds Fulham Papers: papers of the Bishops of London
Series Fulham Papers Colonial
File VOLUME II: General Correspondence

Accessing the Library collection is explained here http://80.169.35.2:8080/Archives/ContactInfo.htm
Carol

Imageokus
Feb 18, 2010 6:58 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
Your Thomas Hardisty was a son of William I believe you said. How sure are you of that?

I have a Thomas with a baptism of 1642, but father Arthur, in Hampsthwaite. Quite possibly there were 2 at about the same time, but I'm suspicious by nature!!

Text: Thomas s. of Arthur Hardesty bap. 04 Sep 1642
Book: Baptisms 1603 to 1652.
Collection: Yorkshire: Hampstwaite - Registers of Marriages, 1603-1807, Registers of Baptisms and Burials, 1603-1794
Carol

Imageokus
Feb 18, 2010 7:10 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
Now I really do have some news I have found the Hampsthwaite Parish Registers in their entirity for 1603 to 1807 on line at
http://www.archive.org/stream/registershampst00collgoog/regi...

There is a tabulated version here which runs through 1603 - 1900 for Hampsthwaite. (It will start in the middle as I haven't yet got to the begining!!)

http://www.calverley.info/hamp_bap_1651.htm


Happy searching!!

Carol
Carol

Imagedarius
Feb 18, 2010 11:19 AM CST
Name: darius
SW VA Blue Ridge Mountains
Wow, more good news! I still haven't digested what you posted yesterday. Whistling

Yes, Arthur was the father of Thomas, not William (who was father to Arthur). Another case of where I should have copied and pasted.

William 1585-1661
Arthur 1605-1658
Thomas 1641-1690
Francis 1671- 1734

I have a short PDF of the information I have from Yorks, but don't know how to attach it here.

Best,
darius
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Imagedarius
Feb 18, 2010 12:07 PM CST
Name: darius
SW VA Blue Ridge Mountains
Carol, I don't know how to do a search on a single census by a surname... but in my Hardesty database which covers from 1700 to about 1930 in the US, I have 5220 people bearing the Hardesty surname. That's 28% of all the names in my database of 18,755. The remainder are spouses, children and grandchildren of Hardesty women. (I only put in 2 generations of non-Hardesty surnames, otherwise I'd have half the continent.)

You would not believe the spelling variations I have accumulated from the census reports which began in 1790.

~d
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ImageTallulah_B
Feb 18, 2010 1:48 PM CST
Name: Susan MacKenzie
Torrington, Alberta, Canada
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Darius - I have several books that were compiled on families in Southern Manitoba (homesteaders and settlers), and Hardisty (Hardesty) is one I ran across while looking for my families (Hamilton/Singleton/Reddaway), and I wonder if any of them are your relatives.....
When I'm home, I'll try to see where they may have come from. As this is families that are contributors, it's not always "where they came from" but more "this is how they lived", so it may be useless, but I'll check anyway.

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Imageokus
Feb 18, 2010 4:43 PM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
I suspect the search facility varies between applications Darius. I ran mine on Find My Past to which I have a subscription.

If you have that many and I have so few leaving the country was obviously good for them! My Footheads are the same after 1915 there are none, except 2 now married women, in the UK but great grandpa founded a dynasty in New Zealand after he arrived in 1871.

Carol
Carol

Imagedarius
Feb 18, 2010 4:43 PM CST
Name: darius
SW VA Blue Ridge Mountains
Thanks, Susan... I know some of my homesteading Hardesty's crossed the border to Canada frequently.
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Imagedarius
Feb 18, 2010 4:44 PM CST
Name: darius
SW VA Blue Ridge Mountains
LOL, if the Hardesty's founded a dynasty here, it was one of generally poor means!
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Imagedarius
Feb 18, 2010 5:57 PM CST
Name: darius
SW VA Blue Ridge Mountains
Carol, I've been playing around with The registers of Hampsthwaite, Co. York link you sent. Great source, and I haven't even gotten to the tabulated version.

However, I can't seem to make heads nor tails of how to get to the onfo you posted for me from:

"Folder icon Bond SpSt/5/1/117 1 May 1683
These documents are held at West Yorkshire Archive Service, Bradford"

nor the items at "Repository Lambeth Palace Library"
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Imageokus
Feb 18, 2010 6:07 PM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
If you go to the National Archives http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/default.htm and run a search you should find the links there. If not I'll post them tomorrow - off to bed now!

Carol
Carol

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