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ImageDonkeyJay
May 27, 2011 9:01 PM CST
Name: Jay
northeastern New Mexico
Zone 5b, in the foothills @ 7100'
I don't know if it's healthy for the kid or not (on a scale w/rape, beating & locking them in a dog cage? ), but I do agree that it's really none of the world's business...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13581835

Think on it, why is it so damn important what gender role anyone is (unless you plan on having sex & spawning). The confusion my shaving my head created was fascinating.... people couldn't tell if I was a man or a woman & their deep discomfort (even in San Fran) was clearly evident. They didn't know who they were if they didn't know who I was.
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Imagezuzu
May 28, 2011 1:45 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
What an interesting news item. I know so many people who would agree with all of the parents' arguments and who allow their children to choose their own clothes and toys, without steering them toward "gender-appropriate" items, but I don't know anyone who's taken it this far, actually keeping the child's sex a secret from even the grandparents.
ImageDonkeyJay
May 28, 2011 5:47 AM CST
Name: Jay
northeastern New Mexico
Zone 5b, in the foothills @ 7100'
I can appreciate why, though. People so quickly project their expectations onto kids, & I think it's a basic survival mechanism to want to try & fit in, etc.

It's one of the things I found rather disturbing about The Horse Boy... the dad's investment in his son's horse riding.
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ImageDonkeyJay
May 28, 2011 6:52 AM CST
Name: Jay
northeastern New Mexico
Zone 5b, in the foothills @ 7100'
And, as usual, a question they never ask the men... when will you be starting a family?
http://sports.yahoo.com/irl/news?slug=ro-danica_patrick_indi...

Because of course we ALL KNOW that women have this irresistible biological imperative to have children & any woman who would rather do something else is newsworthy. Glare

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Imagezuzu
May 28, 2011 12:23 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I love her honesty. Think how many people she alienated by admitting it's something that doesn't interest her.
ImageDonkeyJay
May 28, 2011 2:21 PM CST
Name: Jay
northeastern New Mexico
Zone 5b, in the foothills @ 7100'
Yeah, the woman is at the top of her game... I'll just bet getting pregnant & changing diapers doesn't interest her. Rolling on the floor laughing Let's see... the total rush of indy-car racing or burping a baby... oh, gosh, decisions, decisions. Hilarious!
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AlohaHoya
Jun 2, 2011 11:15 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
I totally support ANYone who makes ANYone think!!! Come'on...does anyone really care of some dweeb in The House send photos of himself in his knickers? Does THAT have to be news? How far have we fallen? A parents' decision to pimp others by not giving the sex of their baby....who's business is it...really? I applaud them!!! I tip my hat to you.
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ImageDonkeyJay
Jun 3, 2011 10:57 AM CST
Name: Jay
northeastern New Mexico
Zone 5b, in the foothills @ 7100'
Well, it's one thing to send knicker shots to children (if he did & isn't being set up), it's another to allow a child to discover their own preferences, likes & dislikes, to try and at least minimize cultural brainwashing. Wonder if the kids therapy bills will be as big as mine have been. Hilarious!
I have little confidence in any enterprise or business or investment that promises dividends only after the death of the stockholders.
Imagebivbiv
Aug 9, 2011 3:32 PM CST
Name: Marcia
Central Florida
I'll never forget the day I visited my dying mother. I was with my nephew, and a nurse asked whether he was my son. Before I had a chance to reply, my mother literally sneered, "No, she's too selfish to have children!" What a shame that's the lasting memory I have of her! She died not understanding.

I agree it's no one's business how this unconventional couple raises their children. However, I think these children may grow up totally confused, and I believe there may well be a lot of therapy in their future. I just hope I'm wrong.
AlohaHoya
Aug 9, 2011 6:47 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
I really don't think that child is going to live very long before there is a "come to jesus meeting" with the parents. The kid is going to know the differences when they are first playing with other kids. Maybe the parents are simply covering up their stupidity?

I meant to write "ignorance'....
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Imagewoofie
Aug 11, 2011 3:13 PM CST
Name: woofie
NE WA zone 5a
It occurred to me that perhaps those parents are simply trying to help prevent possible gender stereotyping inflicted by well-meaning friends and family by keeping them from knowing whether to give gifts of frilly little girlie clothes and dollies or baseball bats and toy guns and tools. Psychology teacher once told me that little kids are pretty well programmed by the time they're 5 years old. If he's right, maybe what they're doing isn't such a bad idea. Dunno.
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Imagewcgypsy
Aug 11, 2011 4:51 PM CST
Name: Sherry
Fallbrook, Ca.
I've not looked into it in depth, but from what I'd read of this idea before...the children will go with whatever their natural inclination is regardless of which toys you give them, etc....
Imagezuzu
Aug 12, 2011 12:44 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I think it's a great idea. It seemed odd to me at first to include the grandparents among the people who aren't told the child's gender, but looking back, I can remember the damage my mother did when she started calling my son a fag when he was 7 or 8. Of course, in my case, I probably should have moved to another country as soon as I got pregnant, just to cut the grandparents out of the child's life completely. Big Grin

I don't think playing with other children will necessarily be a problem. Many children are being raised to be more open-minded now, or at least less rude, and public school is no longer the norm. About half of the children in my town are home-schooled. They're not isolated from one another at all, however. The home-schooling parents have formed a large community and their children are constantly interacting, starting with playdates when they're very young and moving on to group tutoring sessions and outings of various types. Two of the teenagers I know in the home-schooling community have changed their gender. They haven't had the operations yet, of course, but in every other way they are now the opposite gender from the one they started out with. Neither has suffered any ostracism whatsoever.
CarolineScott
Aug 12, 2011 9:51 PM CST
My own philosophy in raising children is that---- so long as they have
inclinations which do not harm others---you follow their interests.
Our one son was always building and/or making things. He would make things out of milk cartons and other garbage. He also made teddy bears on my sewing machine. He took every toy apart and then figured out how to put it together again. Through all of this he learned to handle different materials and put them together.
He is now a successful structural engineer.

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