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ImageLynxx
Nov 6, 2010 1:01 AM CST
Name: Just call me Lynxx :)
South Florida, 9B
Lover of planet earth
I used to believe in Life after Death. I no longer feel this way. I was brought up to believe in it, as so many of us are. Is this a massive human ego complex, as we are a thinking being/ (I believe many animals are capable of higher thinking...spend some time really observing them and see if you agree). As I got older, I began to question this theory. My mother died in 2005. The most wonderful person I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. If anyone were to desrve the glorious wreath of afterlife, it would have been her. She did ' visit me' in a lucid dream about 2 weeks later, but I remember telling her in the dream I knew she was gone, to touch me on the arm if she was real. She did, and I awoke. Was this just my love and passion as an organic, still breathing being wishing so hard for her, that I needed her to be here, or was that real? I have turned the thought over and over, and think it was my own organic desire...
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Val
Nov 8, 2010 2:59 PM CST
Name: Val
Ohio
I think I remember hearing that matter is never eliminated---it simply changes form. This dovetails with my personal belief in life after death. Perhaps even my personal belief in reincarnation.

Of course I can't prove what I believe but I'm okay with that. This is an area where I trust UPG (Unsubstantiated Personal Gnosis). To me, there seems to be an "interconnectedness" to everything which I think supports the concept of life after death. Not necessarily that that life is *the same as* what it once was but simply that some type of life exists.
ImageLynxx
Nov 8, 2010 4:04 PM CST
Name: Just call me Lynxx :)
South Florida, 9B
Lover of planet earth
Well, from what I've read, that is true. It will only change form. but will it retain the memory of being my mother? The dust that was my mother? That would be illogical. She would have to have a soul for that to take place, and wer'e right back to religion, which is something I find the edge of mythological. Or does it just become a part of a higher, unified conciousness? if I were to pick any 'religion' it would have to be Buddhism, and he never preached he was a God at all. i agree with many of the things he thought, others not so sure. reincarnation? I guess we'll just not ever know until we pass on.
But it does comfort one to feel there is something after death. I think Christianity (especially in the dark ages, i.e:catholic church) used this to gain power and control over those who they refused to allow to read (at least Latin, how they wrote the scriptures)...the lowly little tenant farm worker, etc. Scare the hell into them, and they'll bend to your will. Another form of control. It's funny, how just the politicians and the churches seem to be the 'preachers,' power mongers, among us. I wonder why (sarcasm) ...

Val
Nov 8, 2010 10:11 PM CST
Name: Val
Ohio
I think that all religious cultures (pagan or Christian) that had a highly-skilled clergy figure (priests, druids, brahmans, etc) probably controlled their societies in basically the same way. The iron age Celts seemed to have had a taboo against writing down religious texts. We know that their upper classes and some merchants were literate (they used Greek or Latin letters) but they had a general taboo against writing down religious things. The only exceptions that I can think of was the Larzac tablet or deity names.

Also, like in the Catholic church, the Druids were political members of their society. Not only were they spiritual leaders, they were judges and advisers to kings, among other things.

There's substantial evidence that the Celts believed in an afterlife but that is true for all pre-christian societies that I can think of.

It seems natural to me that any society that had an educated/elite priestly function would use religion, afterlife views, and restricted information to control the society.

But how much does this happen today? I'm not sure. Then again, are there any societies that have thrived without using fear of religious and/or political consequences? Is fear necessary for people in a society to function together? If fear (or hope) involving an afterlife was used to control societies, what fears (or hopes) are replacing it since there seems to be a decrease in people who believe in an afterlife?

Although it isn't what I believe, having a natural human ego complex is plausible. Perhaps part of our survival instincts as individuals or our survival instincts as a social community?

Don't mind me.....I'm just having fun pondering.
ImageLynxx
Nov 9, 2010 5:28 AM CST
Name: Just call me Lynxx :)
South Florida, 9B
Lover of planet earth
I love the ponders, that's why i started this cubit :)
Yes, government and church do try to instill fear among their people. it's sad that people can't seem to move past this 'caveman' attitude and get onto the flying cars, if you know what i mean. (IMO) government too. Bush and Cheney spent 8 years pandering fear amongst us.
And as far as religion goes, i know they still pander fear of hell and heaven in order to get tithings. Just watch any religious program, they'll surely ask for money before it's all over.
That's a good ponder. maybe we have to have ego built in in order to survive as a social group. An heirarchy of sorts. Ants have a soical order, as do bees, chimps, wolves, etc. that's not a far fetched ideal Val.
i'm just wondering if we'll ever evolve enough to get past all of the stigmas the church
loves to throw around. I will probably never live to see it. When a president's religious views are so important to a country that he may or may not be elected based on them, well, 'Houston, we have a problem' As long as he/she does not believe in animal sacrifice, I'm OK. Having no religion whatsoever is just fine with me too.
Religion is what got us into 9-11. Religion gets us into many wars. Lol, what an ironic
set of words...'Peace keeping missles' or 'Holy wars'

Imagesmiley
Nov 11, 2010 3:06 PM CST
Name: Julie
Kenmore, NY
I don't want to lurk without announcing that I'm lurking, but do you mind if I lurk a while?

I would like to familiarize myself with this cubit before I go posting around, but would like to say that as far back as I can remember, I've always thought we were the same as any other perennial, spiritually anyways, and always striving for perfection. The idea of dying and either going to 'heaven' or 'hell' was always a strange notion to me.

Thanks.
Imagearejay59
Nov 11, 2010 4:08 PM CST
Name: Arejay aka Robin Brann
Maine
4th Annual Iris Sale going on now!
Im with you smiley!!I cant help but think of trees when I think of the life cycle in general. People,insects animals ,fish...the life cycle of a tree does it just end? No, a seed ,a sprout ,a sapling,a tree, leaves or needles they fall appear even to be dead.I am not ready to believe it isn't similar for us. Maybe a different face,body,needs.Nothing,I dont know, What is nothing?
I stopped to say..do you know you are the features cubit today? Thumb of 2010-11-11/arejay59/631350
Imagesmiley
Nov 11, 2010 4:12 PM CST
Name: Julie
Kenmore, NY
That's how I found it. I think I'm gonna really enjoy meandering around.
ImageLynxx
Nov 11, 2010 5:12 PM CST
Name: Just call me Lynxx :)
South Florida, 9B
Lover of planet earth
Thank you Smiley (Julie) Hurray! I think I agree with both you and Robin, at least until something proves otherwise :)
I hope you enjoy looking through the posts, and i also hope you make your own threads on your thoughts :)
ImageAngelSong
Nov 15, 2010 7:01 AM CST
Name: Jennifer
Victoria, TX
And if I believe there's a place my soul goes when I die, what's so bad about that? It gives me hope... and gives me a little moral character to want to live "a little better" every day.

If the ultimate responsibility of "wanting to do the right thing" so I can see that eternal rest, and it causes me to think twice before I offend, or before I cut somebody off in traffic, or cheat somebody out of a dollar, or shoot my neighbor rather than debate with him, then isn't it a good thing?

ImageLynxx
Nov 15, 2010 7:05 AM CST
Name: Just call me Lynxx :)
South Florida, 9B
Lover of planet earth
Absolutely. That's not what I meant. I was just questioning the true reality of such a thing. That age old question...what happens to my soul (should I pocess some energy force that goes beyond my flesh) after I die?
It's the question and people's thoughts on it that interest me, and of course, pursuit of the answer, which in my heart i think we may never know until it actually happens.
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ImageAngelSong
Nov 15, 2010 7:08 AM CST
Name: Jennifer
Victoria, TX
Okay.. then I believe...

When I die
My body will stay in the ground (and probably decompose)
And my soul will go to a place I call heaven
Where I will enjoy eternal rest
With my Creator

What will it be like? I have no idea... Will there ever be a "final end" to the earth? I don't know that either... But I can't wait to find out! =) If it gets better than this, I sure want to be a part of it ...
Val
Nov 15, 2010 8:51 AM CST
Name: Val
Ohio
Lynxx wrote:I was just questioning the true reality of such a thing. That age old question...what happens to my soul (should I pocess some energy force that goes beyond my flesh) after I die?


I'm not convinced that there is a singular "true reality" concerning life after death. I think that different things will happen to different souls. Perhaps each of us gets what we expect to get.

As a polytheist, I believe that there are many, many gods--both known and unknown. If a particular god takes an interest in someone, they might help that person to a particular afterlife. Shiva will help particular Hindus who worship him to that afterlife. An African deity would help members of the tribe who worship him to their particular afterlife. Cernunnos will help me to an afterlife that fits my particular beliefs. And maybe there isn't an afterlife for an atheist.

I don't see any reason to believe that the same exact things will happen to every person who has ever lived. It just doesn't make any sense to me that people living in China in 3,000 BCE, people living in African tribes in 1,000 BCE, people living in South America in 500 AD and people currently living in the Vatican would all have the same afterlife experience. That seems like a foreign concept to me.

If a person continually says to themselves that they have cancer, it is much more likely for them to eventually develop cancer. The body will react to what the person believes. I think it is very possible that our thoughts can (and do) effect what we will experience in the afterlife too. And that's why I don't debate when a person says what they think will happen for them after death---I think that what they believe may very well be what will happen to that person after death due to their belief system and experiences with their particular deities (if any).
Imagearejay59
Nov 15, 2010 11:27 AM CST
Name: Arejay aka Robin Brann
Maine
4th Annual Iris Sale going on now!
Hurray! Hurray! Hurray! I agree How could we all possibly see the same thing then, we dont all see the same thing now!!!It would be like trying to live in a foreign country without speaking the language Thumbs up
Imagesmiley
Nov 15, 2010 11:30 AM CST
Name: Julie
Kenmore, NY
Oh AMEN Val. I too believe that *whatever* your belief, it will be there for you, if your heart and soul are good.

My brother and mom are both 'reborn Christians'. I could debate a bit with my brother, saying if a jewish woman and a christian woman lived good lives and were good people, how could he say the jewish woman would not be 'allowed' into the kingdom of heaven because she didn't believe that Jesus was the only way in (as he did)? I would hit the old brick wall with his response: "she'll find out when she dies (that it's the only way in)."

I always thought that was a very arrogant point of view.

Sadly, he passed away in July. I had a dream a couple nights later, and he did something he had done to me all his life (not a bad thing). His stepdaughter had a dream and he told her to go to church, and that 'heaven was more glorious than we could ever imagine'.

I think of that statement a lot ~ than we could ever imagine. It leaves a lot open for interpretation.

Do I believe it was really him? Absolutely!
ImageLynxx
Nov 15, 2010 11:46 AM CST
Name: Just call me Lynxx :)
South Florida, 9B
Lover of planet earth
What a lovely story. I hope you're both right, I sure would love to see my mother again :)
Imagesmiley
Nov 15, 2010 11:57 AM CST
Name: Julie
Kenmore, NY
I hope so too. Smiling

By the way, I love what you did with the place.
Imagearejay59
Nov 15, 2010 11:57 AM CST
Name: Arejay aka Robin Brann
Maine
4th Annual Iris Sale going on now!
I think that too Lynxx"I sure hope to see my Mother again" I say often I will enjoy seeing my Dad and my Grandmother and others. Then when I think it through I think things like..what about when you were searching and searching for something in the family tree and you couldn't find it and gave up after saying to yourself or out loud to what I saw as no one really at the time..I wish you were here to help me with this(Grammie) I know you told me a story about this when I was 5 I wish I could remember. Then like magic the next morning a email from someone or a link that didn't work yesterday now has the information... Im not convinced yet that the "thin veil" we all hear about isn't again the same as living in that country where you haven't learned the language. Is it possible that they can hear us and we can hear them and we just don't understand yet?
ImageLynxx
Nov 15, 2010 12:23 PM CST
Name: Just call me Lynxx :)
South Florida, 9B
Lover of planet earth
I know that I believe animals have a language of their own, and that people just don't give them credit for it. It might not be evolved in the same way our language is, but I'm sure they have a communication system of some kind within a species. I've always loved secretly watching animals of all kinds, to see how they act when not knowing they are being watched. It is truly amazing how they react to one another, and how ultra sensitive they are. Call it 6th sense? The one we lost?
Maybe that is it, with us...not being able to communicate on that plateau anymore
ImageAngelSong
Nov 15, 2010 12:33 PM CST
Name: Jennifer
Victoria, TX
I believe those born, raised, and faithful Jewish, still have access to the kingdom.

I don't think there's a "perfect prayer" or a "generous act of repetitive kindness" that gets you there, either.

It's a commitment, and the follow through that gets you there.

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