GENERAL CHAT forum: Gun control

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ImageOldgardenrose
Jul 21, 2012 11:15 AM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
The latest slaughter of innocent citizens by the use of firearms will bring out the usual hue and cry for gun control with the NRA claiming that would be the end of the civilized world as we know it. Both arguments are bs.

The killer was, on the surface, a completely normal person who purchased his guns and ammunition legally according the laws of his state. A background check would have probably found nothing to disqualify him from owning a firearm.

There are many variations in different state laws concerning firearms but the strangest one is the concealed carry laws where one can carry a concealed weapon but cannot expose any portion of it under the cc laws. I compare that to the Catholic teenager who can have premarital sex with no serious repercussions but the same teenager would be condemned to spend eternity in Hell if he/she used a birth control item.

I just read a local news item where 4 men from Chicago came to our little hick town and stole 124 firearms to resell on the street in Chicago. Their take in 3 states totalled 446 firearms, most of which are circulating in the criminal world. It would be difficult to pass a law preventing that.

I am a firm believer in the right of anyone to own a firearm as long as it is on his/her private property. My jury is still out on the public cc aspects. One must weigh the crime prevention numbers to the crimes committed from gun ownership before saying yea or nay to the issue.

Now is the time for all concerned to step back, take a deep breath, and let the legal system run its course. Trying to eliminate guns from probably 75 million citizens is similar to firing all school teachers because one or two had sex with a student.
Imagewcgypsy
Jul 21, 2012 12:23 PM CST
Name: Sherry
Crescent City, Ca.
I actually believe that it could be in the interest of National Security at some point for citizens to be armed and versed in how to use those arms...though I do not own a gun myself, I probably should. On second thought, it will probably be computer viruses that do us in anyway....lol..
ImageOldgardenrose
Jul 21, 2012 1:48 PM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
You are absolutely correct in the armed citizens approach. Look at our glorious progress against the citizens in Iraq and Afghanistan. The most powerful nation on Earth taken to the cleaners by a bunch of camel jockeys. The problem I have with our so-called militias is most of their philosophies are personal hate against some branch of law enforcement or minority groups.
ImageOldgardenrose
Dec 23, 2012 4:10 PM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
As the great Yogi Berra once said, it's deja vu all over again. Another senseless slaughter, another clamor for gun control and another almost painful rope-a-dope by Wayne LaPierre to defend his very profitable lobby for the gun industry. A cry for more armed guards at schools when most municipalities are hard-pressed to pay their current police force. Another cry for increased commitment of the mentally ill when most states are closing these facilities for lack of funding. A proposal for private mental health records to be made public while at the same time keeping the lack of gun registrations sacred. We are reaching a point in our society where we will act in the public good or permit our politicians to act in their personal private good.

The Second Amendment has been interpreted by the Supreme Court as an absolute right but no one has dared to counter by saying the original text was written at a time when "arms" were flintlock muskets and pistols. Why can't we ban all firearms except flintlocks. That would solve the debate over "assault weapons" and "extended capacity magazines." Here in Illinois, muskets are the only rifle permitted for deer hunting. We get along fine with that restriction.
ImageOldgardenrose
Dec 27, 2012 9:25 AM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
There have been several claims pro and con for guns in schools. Best way to understand the issue is just use common sense. This link is a clarification of some wildly inaccurate statements by the chief lobbyist for the gun manufacturers.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/288828/81/Israel-rejects-NR...
ImageOldgardenrose
Dec 29, 2012 3:06 PM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
Local news had an article concerning a town about 40 miles Southwest of here. A 45 year old man was busted for indecent solicitation of a child for soliciting a 16 year old girl for sex. The girl reported him which brought on the visit to his home to arrest him. They found explosive materials and devices including blasting caps as well as illegal knives and several semi-automatic weapons and ammunition. The explosives and blasting caps are a federal offense as bomb making components unless one has a permit for use and possession. Just a stroke of luck and bad judgement may have prevented a future disaster. We never know which of our neighbors are sitting on the ragged edge just waiting for something to trigger violence.

ImageOldgardenrose
Dec 31, 2012 8:35 AM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
Saw an article in this morning's paper where a 74 year old man shot and killed a young unmarried couple for parking their car in his driveway during a Maine snowstorm.
ImageOldgardenrose
Jan 10, 2013 3:35 PM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
Some of the people ranting against government oppression in the debate over efforts to formulate reasonable gun control laws should be very thankful of that same government's generous attitude toward the First Amendment rights to free speech. Some of the statements would be treading upon dangerous ice otherwise.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2385
ImageOldgardenrose
Jan 10, 2013 3:42 PM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
This is a large part of the gun debate. Weapons which have absolutely no useful function except for mass killing of people more or less confined in a small area.

http://www.bushmaster.com/index.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_C-Mag
ImageOldgardenrose
Feb 4, 2013 3:40 PM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
The recent death of a professional killer of the highest order, by an unbalanced mental case, has a tendency to water down the NRA's position that one only needs to buy a gun in order to be safe. Since it happened at a firing range, it is assumed both individuals who were killed were armed. The shooter was there as a guest. No word as to whether he had his own weapon or not.
ImageOldgardenrose
Feb 23, 2013 9:26 PM CST
Name: Jerry
Salem, IL
Illinois is now on the fast track to legalize concealed carry. The only remaining protesting appeal would be with the U.S. Supreme Court which has already pretty well established CC as an individual right. Time will tell the story of whether 'packing heat' in public is a good idea or not. Some states report it has reduced crime but they do not say if minor crimes are replaced with major incidents with guns.

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