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Image1AnjL
Jan 12, 2012 8:24 PM CST
Name: AnjL/Annmarie
CA Sierra Mts
Any advise on how to care for a 3 1/2 week old puppy? Anyone out there ever nursed a newborn without his/her momma?

Some idiot dirt bag abandoned this lil guy in a field Crying

I am feeding him Esbilac 2nd step weaning formula which he laps up fine. Also supplementing with soaked Blue Buffalo puppy food (lamb) and lots of water. He just got his teeth in in the past few days Rolling my eyes.

any ohter tips/advise would be greatly apprecitated. I dont know which things momma dog usually teaches her pups at this age Thumb of 2012-01-13/1AnjL/84a908
All Things Hobby
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ImageLance
Jan 17, 2012 8:27 AM CST
Name: Lance Gardner
coastal plain Virginia
Question authority, guide in wisdom
Your description of the person sounds about right, how can people do that sort of thing? By not being the human, I guess.
Tough one to do but it sounds like you are on the right track. A ticking clock can help as well - simulates the heartbeat of companions. Do you have other animals that may be willing to share space with him? Their is the potential for life-long developmental problems, but with luck and proper care it may be averted.
I think most of the what Mom does at this point is clean up, feeding, and keeping rambunctious youngsters in check. In another few weeks depending on how fast this little guy develops, you can start 'puppy' training to limit things like biting and jumping as well as start to associate words with actions - when he sits on his own say sit right away.
I will see if anyone else has thoughts and sorry for not seeing this sooner. My own world is also rather filled right now. Please keep us update.
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ImageAudrey
Jan 17, 2012 8:55 AM CST
Name: Audrey---Doe 41--- Warren
South East Missouri
I'm a Charlie's girl, too!
Lance when you said "cleanup" I guess you meant after the puppy goes to potty, the mom will do his "paper-work" for him! This also stimulates his bowels, too..
Imagevalleylynn
Jan 17, 2012 10:35 AM CST
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR zone 8
Do any of your neighbors have a Border Collie. Just wondering if the mother dog was in the process of trying to move her pups.

What ever you do don't handle the puppy with an attitude of feeling bad, sorry, or any other negative thoughts or feelings. This can affect how it matures emotionally.

Lance is correct in teaching it proper manners right from the beginning. Just remember how you raised your children. What appears cute/funny/harmless when little may not be so when a little older.

Playing with another dog is very good. The other dog will teach the puppy doggie etiquette.
Image1AnjL
Jan 17, 2012 2:14 PM CST
Name: AnjL/Annmarie
CA Sierra Mts
Well, my 5lb lil Sheldon (teacup poodle) is a bit old for 'playing' he is only interested in dominating him by the 'humping' action *Blush* Sad poor lil guy is much too young for that stuff Hilarious!

As for playing with other dogs, there is a small english bull dog 'Ellie" down the street that I can bring him to play with, however I am not 100% certain that Ellie has had all her shots and the vet said that since this pup got very little of his mommas protection against diseases, that I shouldnt take him out around other dogs until he has had his complete puppy shots at 4 mos old. In the mean time, we are 'roughing him up' a little by playing tug of war, etc with him. He seems to know all about picking up a toy, growling, and shaking it. I guess that part is doggie nature Smiling

After reading lots of sites on the web, I started using a warm, wet, rough wash cloth to clean him after eating, and wiping his bum * penis after eating. This stimulates him to use the potty.

Also, I read that at first you cover his entire pen with paper and only put down fresh paper where you DONT want him to potty, leaving the 'potty area' dirty so that he can smell it. I just covered the messes with a newspaper in that area without removing the mess. Then a few days ago I removed the papers where he is not supposed to potty. He seems to be a quick learner because for the past two days he has only been going on the potty pads that I left. Thumbs up

I know what you mean about correcting him at a yound age...he now has most of his teeth, VERY SHARP TEETH Blinking so when he tries to gnaw on my hands and feet now (ouch!!) we tell him 'Ack!" and give him a teether instead. I think mouthing hands during play is okay, but he needs to learn to not bite down on said hands. My cat and dog have already taught him to not bite down on them, so I'm sure he can learn to play gently with us as well Whistling

I am truly amazed at how fast he has grown! I've been caring for him since last sunday. When I got him he could run right underneath our couch which is set up in the center of our greatroom. On saturday, just 6 days later he grabbed a toy and ran under the couch...and almost knocked himself out Hilarious! yesterday he had to scoot on his belly to get a toy under the couch. Now he doesnt even bother to go under there Rolling on the floor laughing

I took him in to be weighed yesterday and he is gaining an ounce a day Thumbs up

Any guesses on breed? I'm told Corgi, collie, or aussie??


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All Things Hobby
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ImageAudrey
Jan 17, 2012 2:24 PM CST
Name: Audrey---Doe 41--- Warren
South East Missouri
I'm a Charlie's girl, too!
He sure is a cutie!!
Image1AnjL
Jan 17, 2012 2:27 PM CST
Name: AnjL/Annmarie
CA Sierra Mts
Lovey dubby Lovey dubby he has stolen my heart and refuses to give it back Lovey dubby Lovey dubby Hilarious!
All Things Hobby
All the coffee in Columbia will never make me a morning person!
Imagevalleylynn
Jan 17, 2012 3:04 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR zone 8
Oh my goodness, that photo is enough to make anyone fall in love with him.
Breed will be pretty difficult to tell at this early stage. Markings make him look like a Border Collie right now. I see he has brown mixed in his coat on the one side?
ImageElena
Jan 17, 2012 4:13 PM CST
Name: Elena
Middle Tennessee
Sounds like you are doing everything right. It also sounds like you have good vet who is concerned about his diet and over all health. Good job. That little darling was really lucky that you found him. Keep up the good work.
Image1AnjL
Jan 17, 2012 5:51 PM CST
Name: AnjL/Annmarie
CA Sierra Mts
valleylynn wrote:Oh my goodness, that photo is enough to make anyone fall in love with him.
Breed will be pretty difficult to tell at this early stage. Markings make him look like a Border Collie right now. I see he has brown mixed in his coat on the one side?


yes at first it seemed that he was only black and white, but now that he has grown some, the black on his sides and back are highlighted with brown now. do border collies have brown in their coats? I really dont know much about bigger dogs. When I was a kid (8 to 12 yrs old) we had a shepherd mix and a german shepherd that had puppies, but I was so young I dont remember much. I do rememebr my mom used to use baby cereal to help wean them, but in hind sight I dont know how healthy that is Whistling Formula is expensive, but I am hoping to wean him off of it completely by the end of this week.
All Things Hobby
All the coffee in Columbia will never make me a morning person!
Imagevalleylynn
Jan 17, 2012 6:31 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR zone 8
It is more than likely a mix of some kind. You will see more of the contributing breeds (maybe) as he gets big/older. Each breed has it own distinctive breed traits. If he has Border Collie tendencies it won't be hard to discern when he freezes and stares at moving objects (cat, other dog, birds, sheep, etc). It is know as the Border Collie stare. Smiling
Image1AnjL
Jan 17, 2012 6:52 PM CST
Name: AnjL/Annmarie
CA Sierra Mts
Blinking Uh oh, he does that now just before the pitter pattering across the floor and then the ATTACK!!
All Things Hobby
All the coffee in Columbia will never make me a morning person!
Imagevalleylynn
Jan 17, 2012 7:29 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR zone 8
We'll have to see how that develops. Big Grin
Border collies are very easy to train and learn new things very quickly, even the bad things. So be on the alert. Whistling
Image1AnjL
Jan 17, 2012 7:48 PM CST
Name: AnjL/Annmarie
CA Sierra Mts
We are considering doing this test http://www.canineheritage.com/index.html to see if we can determine the breed. Cost is $60 though so not sure if we can afford it right now. It would help us determine if we can keep him....also help when we try to find him a forever home.
All Things Hobby
All the coffee in Columbia will never make me a morning person!
Imagevalleylynn
Jan 17, 2012 8:43 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR zone 8
Very interesting.
Image1AnjL
Jan 17, 2012 9:04 PM CST
Name: AnjL/Annmarie
CA Sierra Mts
I wonder if it really truly works? I mean if they really can find out what type of doggie he is by swabbing his mouth.
All Things Hobby
All the coffee in Columbia will never make me a morning person!
Imagevalleylynn
Jan 17, 2012 9:14 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR zone 8
The swab is the way they do DNA. Cliff had that done to help trace his family lineage along his paternal line, to trace back to see where the Choctaw comes in. Only to find out that it was through his paternal grandmother.

Contact AKC about it. Thumbs up
ImageElena
Jan 17, 2012 10:39 PM CST
Name: Elena
Middle Tennessee
I supposedly have Cherokee on both my mother and father's sides. We have never been able to trace them however. When I was young I saw a picture of my Mother's mother's Cherokee ancestor once but someone took the photo out of her box and we never saw it again after that. I wish I had listened more carefully to the tales that the old folks told back then but to us kids it wasn't interesting. I hate that so much now.
Image1AnjL
Jan 18, 2012 2:16 AM CST
Name: AnjL/Annmarie
CA Sierra Mts
I have Sioux and Cherokee, my dads grandma was 100 % Cherokee, and grandpa was part Sioux, part Cherokee and maybe German. My dads grandparents received a check from the government every month for what...we dont know. I have tried and tried to trace back for the scrolls, but both were adopted at birth and given 'Christian names' I'd love to find out how to trace it back through the governemnt money that they received, but have no idea how. his grandma was re-named Mary Smith and there are a gazillion Mary Smiths during that time period Grumbling
All Things Hobby
All the coffee in Columbia will never make me a morning person!
ImageLance
Jan 18, 2012 8:26 AM CST
Name: Lance Gardner
coastal plain Virginia
Question authority, guide in wisdom
On the more humorous side of the heritage discussions, it seems we are all mutts just like most of our dogs!
The breed test: Do you really think it is that important to be certain as to the breed or breeds that are in his background? Knowing the lineage can help to figure out how best to orient training and socializing, but no matter what you will need to see how this little guy develops his own personality. For me at least, I prefer to use the money on other priorities, like decent food (check out the food article here for more details), and work with the dog as an individual regardless of background. As the personality and physical traits manifest themselves you will have a good idea of his lineage even without genetic verification. I am not saying that it would be a complete waste of money and you can certainly get some valuable information, but I do not think it is necessary in order to take good care of your little buddy. As he gets older give us some more pictures and between us I am sure we can narrow it down quite a bit. Besides photos are fun.
Here are some tricks for early socialization that I have used with success: When you feel teeth on your fingers, grab (gently so as not to hurt) the mouth with your finger still inside; it makes them try to push your finger out and is very uncomfortable (of course release after a few seconds). After a few tries they get the idea it is no longer fun to have fingers in their mouth. I do not allow hands in the mouth as it only takes once getting carried away to cause damage - dog mouths can be powerful. Some people may do fine with gentle play, so you will need to decide.
To limit jumping, I will hold on to the front paws and keep them up until they get uncomfortable. Be very careful with one this age as everything is still developing, but you do need to limit jumping or climbing up before it becomes an issue with a larger dog. Also, putting a hand over the nose can easily redirect their momentum as the dog must follow their nose wherever it goes!
Giving a chew toy for appropriate chewing (as you mentioned) is a good idea and will teach them early on about appropriate chew toys.
For potty training, you can also take him out to a specific place in the yard to eliminate to get him used to using that area. You may want to start this in combination with the paper training maybe by taking some of the soiled papers to the designated spot and encouraging elimination. Having raised a child, many dogs and studying biology, I have little compunction about training with the command 'go pee' and my dogs now both take care of it when I need them to. Others may want to use other words like 'hurry up' if you don't want the neighbors wondering what you are doing. This command is easily done by repeating the phrase while your dog pees (or poos) and saying good dog.
Thanks for sharing. I am looking forward to seeing his development.
Look and listen for the welfare of the whole people and have always in view not only the present but also the coming generations, even those whose faces are yet beneath the surface of the ground -- the unborn of the future Nation. The Constitution of the Iroquois Nations.
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