dog health forum: treat poisoning
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| It seems this poisoning has not resulted in a recall yet as the FDA has been unable to identify a specific ingredient. Amazing - if we can't identify what is killing your pet than we won't take the products off the shelves! This problem seems to have been around for a while, as well, with the FDA warning issued in November 2011. The culprit seems to be chicken jerky treats from China specifically. Here are some links for more information. http://news.petpardons.com/fda-warns-pets-being-poisoned-by-... http://fox8.com/2012/02/06/brown-kucinich-seek-fda-action-to... http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/NewsEvents/CVMUpdates/uc... Look and listen for the welfare of the whole people and have always in view not only the present but also the coming generations, even those whose faces are yet beneath the surface of the ground -- the unborn of the future Nation. The Constitution of the Iroquois Nations. Dogs; Family Fun Unplugged; Perennials, Annuals, Veggies; Happy Birthday Wishes |
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| Personally, I don't feed anything to my dogs or cat that comes from China. Awhile back pets were being poisoned from USA made food, but it contained a supplemental protein additive that came from China. It contained melamine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_pet_food_recalls A lady that worked for me lost her dog to the melamine poison. |
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| Unfortunately, there are unscrupulous people everywhere. Like you, though, given the number of problems with animal food and treats, even milk meant for their own children, I will be more diligent about where my treats come from and buy nothing from China. I always check ingredients anyway on everything my pets get, so this is not that difficult to add on to the list to avoid. US companies are not immune to cutting corners and have had many bad practices in the past (many still do), but this problem does not seem US made. Check out pet food articles here and on other websites if you want more information. Interesting bit about the melamine, it is not actually protein if I remember the chemistry correctly, but a high nitrogen plastic waste compound that tricks the protein tests. Most protein tests check nitrogen levels as protein is high in nitrogen. Add more nitrogen in any form and you can write higher protein levels on your packaging. Look and listen for the welfare of the whole people and have always in view not only the present but also the coming generations, even those whose faces are yet beneath the surface of the ground -- the unborn of the future Nation. The Constitution of the Iroquois Nations. Dogs; Family Fun Unplugged; Perennials, Annuals, Veggies; Happy Birthday Wishes |
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| The higher the product is tested for protein, the more money they get. And yes, the melamine is not a protein, but does show on the tests as protein. Seems like they should be able to come up with a more reliable test? I disagree with it not being a US made problem. Many of the commercial dog food companies are still using ingredients from China. And there are still many companies using inferior ingredients, because USDA allows higher levels of toxins for animal consumption (dairy animals, meat animals) and much higher levels for none food animals (dogs & cats). Here is a link explaining a little about what is allowed for dairy cows. Remember, much higher levels are allowed for grains used in dog & cat food. http://www.ars.usda.gov/sp2UserFiles/Place/36553000/publicat... |
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| I think it is horrible. There is no telling what human or animal is eating. Especially after reading about the "pink slime" in McDonal's Hamburger. Scarey for all... |
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| Thanks for the information. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the best interests of the pet (or any consumer) were the motivation instead of profits? Look and listen for the welfare of the whole people and have always in view not only the present but also the coming generations, even those whose faces are yet beneath the surface of the ground -- the unborn of the future Nation. The Constitution of the Iroquois Nations. Dogs; Family Fun Unplugged; Perennials, Annuals, Veggies; Happy Birthday Wishes |
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| How do you determine where the ingredients to a food are manufactured? Food manufactured here may not be safe because of the ingredients purchased elsewhere and unless the actual contaminate is identified it cannot be traced to any source within or outside of our borders. Because of the melamine poisonings earlier that were traced to China, we blame them for these new pet deaths too? It is not known what the poison is yet. Is China the source? Ummm, MAYBE...but then again...maybe not. My questions are many. Why has the FDA not been able to identify the contaminate? Is it something new and undetectable? Is it a naturally occurring substance or one deliberately manufactured? Since it seems to be undetectable, Is it limited to pet treats or is it included in other foods? Are our pets being used to test chemical warfare? Are we? The FDA needs to step up and find the answers! |
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| Yes, folks should be informed about what they are dispensing into our bodies and our pet's bodies in the name of profits... |
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There are so many different contaminates that could be the cause, each with it's own test. It can be a very long drawn out process to find the culprit. Zanymuse wrote:How do you determine where the ingredients to a food are manufactured? Food manufactured here may not be safe because of the ingredients purchased elsewhere and unless the actual contaminate is identified it cannot be traced to any source within or outside of our borders. Call your manufacturer of your dog food and ask them about the ingredients they use. Where do they come from. Are the ingredients 'For human consumption' quality. How often do they test for contamination (grains in storage can build up toxins)? |
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| Thank you Lance for the info. as well as the links. I am so disgusted by this & the way Purina has acted. $$$$$$$$$$ is the name of the game it seems & to heck with honor, character & honesty. This is why I have chosen to feed my dog VERY PRICEY ZiwiPeak air dried raw from New Zealand. Thank goodness I can afford it because of her small size. I fully intend to switch her to raw feeding I prepare myself once we get settled in our new house. Right now it's impossible with the intsy, teensy space we are renting. I did several years ago order some pure chicken jerky treats online but when they arrived I saw the package said they were made in China. I threw them away. I would rather err on the side of money wasted but safe rather than risk the health of my dog. As a matter of fact, the other day I noticed that some garlic powder I bought for our consumption was made in China. I returned it to the store & bought the more pricey McCormick brand. I have nothing against Chinese people. In fact, I just came back from lunch at a Chinese restaurant. I recently found out I have Celiac disease & therefore gluten is like poison to me. I spoke with the owner of the restaurant & told her the situation. They were most accommodating & concerned & took great care to make sure I was not cross contaminated by their food. I came away from the experience with a lightened heart in knowing there is at least 1 safe place I can go out to eat with my dh without fear of being glutened. "If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." Will Rogers |
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| Maybe we should make our own doggie treats. Recipes??anyone??? |
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| Doggie treats are easy to make. Elena or Lance might even have recipes that they can share with us. : ) |
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| Thanks for the heads up Lance. I too don't discriminate against the Chinese. Just the companies that can't put out a safe product. Be it them, or us. We just started buying chicken flavored teeth cleaning treats for the cats. As far as we know, they're made in Tennessee by the Nutro Co. They're ''Feline Greenies'' and the cats like them. Even my picky cat. A small town has no secrets except itself |
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| The easiest to make dog treats I use are raw fruits and vegetables, such as carrots, apples and broccoli stems. One of my dogs (the tan one in the banner) will eat just about anything so this works well for him, but the black one will often leave the carrot partially chewed wondering if there is something better around - she prefers to retrieve like crazy instead. I do not make my own dog treats (I can barely manage to make my own meals!), but I imagine any treat that is made from whole ingredients and good for us would be good for a dog, as well. Avoid toxins like raisins, grapes and any form of chocolate, use whole grains, limit sugar and see what happens! Maybe someone else here has an actual recipe, but I don't. As mentioned above, just because the treat or food is made in this country does not mean the ingredients are wholesome or even non-toxic. Check sources for everything. A reputable company should not mind answering questions. I am curious about the kitty teeth cleaning treat. Do you have a link? I recently acquired two cats for indoor only pets for my son to play with, and am of course trying to keep their health in top condition. Look and listen for the welfare of the whole people and have always in view not only the present but also the coming generations, even those whose faces are yet beneath the surface of the ground -- the unborn of the future Nation. The Constitution of the Iroquois Nations. Dogs; Family Fun Unplugged; Perennials, Annuals, Veggies; Happy Birthday Wishes |
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| I used those "Greenies" when they first came out but they made my little Boston sick, so I threw them away. I haven't used them since. |
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| I was not very impressed with the ingredients in Greenies, so I never use them. If the treats mentioned above are the same thing, I won't use those either. I thought it might be worth checking into, though. Look and listen for the welfare of the whole people and have always in view not only the present but also the coming generations, even those whose faces are yet beneath the surface of the ground -- the unborn of the future Nation. The Constitution of the Iroquois Nations. Dogs; Family Fun Unplugged; Perennials, Annuals, Veggies; Happy Birthday Wishes |
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| I buy Victor dog food. Victor is made in Texas and it is a top quality dog food. A Mastiff breeder in Indiana stocks Victor at his Ace Hardware store near Indianapolis and swears that the quality of Victor is equal to and prehaps better than the other top expensive brands. He even samples the dog food himself to make sure that it is what his Mastiffs should be eating. Victor is also cheaper than the other brands which proves that high prices do not neccessarily mean that high prices equate to better dog food. I've started buying Victor from my Farm Co-Op store and my Beagle loves it. Its 20= for $19.99 |
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| http://www.greenies.com/en_us/products/felinegreenies.aspx We use the roasted chicken. We just started buying them. A small town has no secrets except itself |
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