Identification forum: Is H.vitellinoides formerly H. meredithii,?

 
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Imagemjsponies
Oct 19, 2011 4:30 PM CST
Name: mj
Deleon Springs, Fl
I've come across a plant marked H. meredithii, not blooming but the leaves do look right, didn't buy it yet, (could probably get it for $10-15 for a good sized plant.) Does anyone know anything about this plant.

Edited as I have searched some more....
From Rarehoyas.com
Item Minus One When I am upset about Hoya names, my wife continually tells me "Why worry, when it is only an opinion anyhow". It does bother me for I think that the collectors are getting bum information. I see catalogs, foreign publications and have inquiries questioning the names of some of my Hoyas. Several of the ones that get the greatest static are: meredithii vs vitillinioides,

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Imagepropmaker
Oct 19, 2011 5:02 PM CST
Name: Dominic Murray
Lanzarote, Canary Islands

Good sized plant that says either H meredithii or H vitillinoides at a good price says buy me anyway...where´s the dilemma?..... Big Grin
ImageHoyaDoug
Oct 19, 2011 5:08 PM CST
Name: Doug
Lamoille County, VT
MJ, I think they are the same plant. Buy it! I got one this summer and I'm really liking it. I bought it as vitellinoides, but it said it used to be called meredithii.
Imagemjsponies
Oct 19, 2011 5:27 PM CST
Name: mj
Deleon Springs, Fl
Well, it was at a nursery about 10 minutes from my house that is having a big Plant fair this weekend. I already went up and got it...now I think I'm going back for a H. golamcoiana, $15.00 for 5 in pot, super nice sized plant.
Imagethreegardeners
Oct 19, 2011 5:31 PM CST
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Ontario, Canada
Perpetually happy!
oh, wow! good deal! Pictures?? Big Grin
RandyBoatwright
Oct 19, 2011 6:24 PM CST
Drive fast, MJ, drive fast!
Mairzeedotes
Oct 19, 2011 10:10 PM CST
Name: Marcy
S. Calif
I have a H. golamcoiana. It has big beautiful leaves. Never has bloomed, but I like it for the pretty leaves.Thumb of 2011-10-20/Mairzeedotes/25faaa
I lauged at Randy's remark about Drive Fast so my DH wanted to know what was funny. When I told him, he said that nursery must be in another state or I would be on my way there driving fast too. Rolling on the floor laughing He is soooo right.
Mairzeedotes
Oct 19, 2011 10:15 PM CST
Name: Marcy
S. Calif
Oh, no wait...that plant I posted the pic of was H. gonolobides. I think the one you are talking about looks like cumingiana, doesn't it?
Imagemjsponies
Oct 20, 2011 12:04 AM CST
Name: mj
Deleon Springs, Fl
Marcy,
I was doing a bit of digging and found this on Christina's site....
"It has been said that this hoya and Hoya densifolia are synonymes to Hoya cumingiana, but until this is certain I will let Hoya golamcoana keep its name and its own page here. Earlier it was spelled golamcoiana, but the i has been removed."

So is this what they are calling the Large leaf form of cumingiana ? .....I have the small leaf...

I'm probably going to run up there tomorrow morning ( well later THIS morning Rolling on the floor laughing ) and get this one too.

ImageJulieK
Oct 20, 2011 12:19 AM CST
Name: Julie Kennedy
UK
Wow MJ - lucky haul or what!!!
Waiting to see the pics! Big Grin
ImageHoyaDoug
Oct 20, 2011 7:18 AM CST
Name: Doug
Lamoille County, VT
Here is my experience with Hoya golamcoana. I received this as a cutting from DL in 2008. It behaves totally differently than cumingiana. Where cumingiana is almost always in flower, golamcoana rarely flowers (Only once for me in 3 years). Hoya golamcoana is not nearly as attractive a plant as cumingiana (My favorite Hoya of all time). Hoya golamcoana has a bone white flower and cumingiana has a yellow/green flowers. Here are two photos of Hoya golamcoana one showing the entire plant and another one showing the blossom.
Thumb of 2011-10-20/HoyaDoug/e8da82

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Imagemjsponies
Oct 20, 2011 10:06 AM CST
Name: mj
Deleon Springs, Fl
Thanks Doug...I'm not sure if I will get it or not...I'd like to have at least interesting foliage if it's a fussy bloomer.
Mairzeedotes
Oct 20, 2011 11:08 AM CST
Name: Marcy
S. Calif
Well I have Hoya densifolia also, and find it completely different from my H. cumingiana. It's leaves are less stiff or ridged. Its vines too...much more floppy. It appears to be more like the one Doug has as Hoya golamcoana. Maybe mine is mislabeled. I got mine from Kartuz back in 04. It has never bloomed though. Could be because I have had to restart it a couple of times. It's doing good now though...just no blooms. My cumingiana is very stiff and bush like. It blooms every year. Nice little spicy, fragrant, and pretty blooms. I wouldn't call it my "favorite" however as it is rather difficult to contain and make look nice. It sort of shoots out all over the place...sideways. Hilarious!
AlohaHoya
Oct 20, 2011 11:19 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Ted Green published H. meredithii. It was found that the publication of the species had an error which made it untenable, so Ted corrected the error which means the publication is valid. Ms. Burton will do anything to discredit Ted.

Hs. cumingiana, golamcoaina and densifolia *****may***** be the same species/different clones (as Ms. Burton told me they were) and they may be different species. The differences will be found in the struction of the flower parts NOT in colors or blooming patterns or leaf size and the proof will probably come in the form of DNA research.

In the meanwhile, I don't think we need to worry about being absolutely spot on with our IDs....until any big mindblowing discoveries are made, just call them as close to what you think they may be. Dorothy is right...they really are simply opinions and as we know...they are like bellybuttons.... Whistling

If you like the plant...get it!!!

I do think that if you do any trades or purchases, however, you should see pictures of the trade or purchase...you might wind up with a large collection of H. diversifolia!!!!!
Leap. The net will appear.
ImageHoyaDoug
Oct 20, 2011 11:45 AM CST
Name: Doug
Lamoille County, VT
Mairzeedotes wrote:Well I have Hoya densifolia also, and find it completely different from my H. cumingiana. It's leaves are less stiff or ridged. Its vines too...much more floppy. It appears to be more like the one Doug has as Hoya golamcoana. Maybe mine is mislabeled. I got mine from Kartuz back in 04. It has never bloomed though. Could be because I have had to restart it a couple of times. It's doing good now though...just no blooms. My cumingiana is very stiff and bush like. It blooms every year. Nice little spicy, fragrant, and pretty blooms. I wouldn't call it my "favorite" however as it is rather difficult to contain and make look nice. It sort of shoots out all over the place...sideways. Hilarious!


Here is a photo of my cumingiana from a couple of years ago when I decorated it for Christmas. It was only three feet tall then; it is now 5 1/2 feet high. I like it, because it smells nice, grows rapidly and is one of the best hoyas to train to trellises and topiaries.Thumb of 2011-10-20/HoyaDoug/58ca2b
Imagethreegardeners
Oct 20, 2011 11:47 AM CST
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Ontario, Canada
Perpetually happy!
I love it!!
RandyBoatwright
Oct 20, 2011 12:06 PM CST
So, Doug, do you hire out at Christmas to decorate! Nice pic and I think I would like that one, too, if it's easily trainable like yours seems to be.
ImageHoyaDoug
Oct 20, 2011 12:30 PM CST
Name: Doug
Lamoille County, VT
No Randy, I don't hire out for Christmas decorating Hilarious! I guess I have a particular fondness for this plant, also because it was one of the very first Hoyas I ever owned.
I now have three of that small leafed variety - the big one pictured, a three foot one on a copper trellis at work, and another one that calls the big one "mother" that I raised from seed. I have the large leafed one as well (diversifolia?) it also grows rapidly, but is more susceptible to spider mites, and just does not captivate me the way the small leafed one does.
Imagemjsponies
Oct 20, 2011 1:11 PM CST
Name: mj
Deleon Springs, Fl
Well I haven't had a chance to go back up there today but will tomorrow.
Here's the plant...growing in a 5 in. pot...there's 3 in there actually.
There's a red cast to alot of the leaves...too much sun ? The newer leaves are deep rich green

Thumb of 2011-10-20/mjsponies/a54ce4


close up of leaf...


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ImageHoyaDoug
Oct 20, 2011 1:32 PM CST
Name: Doug
Lamoille County, VT
MJ, super duper looking plant! Don't you love how the newer leaves come in with a redish sheen. Great buy Thumbs up

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