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Imageclintbrown
Feb 26, 2010 6:45 PM CST
Name: Clint Brown
Medina, TN
aka Echinaceamaniac
I looked all over for pine bark fines and came home empty handed. They had something called "Evergreen Soil Conditioner" that looked like what I need but it had no ingredients listed so I put it back.

I'm having trouble finding the ingredients for making the potting mix. I couldn't find crushed granite or Turface either.
Imagetapla
Feb 26, 2010 8:56 PM CST
Name: Al
5b-6a MI
Where have you looked?

For Turface:
John Deere Landscapes, Franklin 615-794-4144
John Deere Landscapes, Nashville 615-254-3100
John Deere Landscapes, Memphis 901-373-6164
BWI Companies, Inc., Memphis 901-367-2941
Dickens Turf & Landscape Supply, Inc., Nashville 615-227-1111
Ewing Irrigation, Nashville 615-244-8870

At the JD dealers, ask for Allsport - for the other dealers, ask for Turface MVP.

The grit can be had at rural feed stores or grain elevators. Use the online yellow pages and ask for Gran-I-Grit in grower size or #2 cherrystone

I'll leave you to find the bark on your own. It will be easier to find soon as the spring supply starts to arrive. Be sure it is all pine bark or fir bark and the size is appropriate (1/8-1/4").

Al




Imageclintbrown
Feb 26, 2010 10:28 PM CST
Name: Clint Brown
Medina, TN
aka Echinaceamaniac
Thanks, Al. I looked at Lowes and Home Depot. I live about an hour and a half from Memphis. I'll try to go in the next week or two.

Is Evergreen Soil Conditioner the same as Pine Bark Fines? I looked up Pine Bark Fines and the definition said it was also called soil conditioner. I think this could be it. I looked at a bag that had some spilling out and it looks just like the photos I've seen.

Clint
Imageclintbrown
Mar 4, 2010 9:02 AM CST
Name: Clint Brown
Medina, TN
aka Echinaceamaniac
I found a place that has some of the crushed granite finally!
[Last edited Mar 4, 2010 10:16 AM CST]
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Imagetapla
Mar 4, 2010 12:34 PM CST
Name: Al
5b-6a MI
Rockin'! Hurray!
Imageclintbrown
Mar 4, 2010 1:27 PM CST
Name: Clint Brown
Medina, TN
aka Echinaceamaniac
I had to order the Turface online. No stores here have it. Even the John Deere Landscaping place that Turface's store locator recommended doesn't have it in stock.
Imagetapla
Mar 4, 2010 4:48 PM CST
Name: Al
5b-6a MI
..... but the JD dealers will order it - wouldn't that be less expensive than paying shipping?

Al
Imageclintbrown
Mar 4, 2010 5:07 PM CST
Name: Clint Brown
Medina, TN
aka Echinaceamaniac
I guess so. I just decided to order a smaller amount. I don't have room for a 50 lb. bag. I want to try the stuff out first before buying a bigger bag.
Imagetapla
Mar 4, 2010 6:21 PM CST
Name: Al
5b-6a MI
O ye of little faith ...... Smiling

Take care.

Al
Imagericeke
May 6, 2010 8:03 AM CST
Name: Ken Zone 7b/8
Snellville, GA
Clint...Evergreen Soil Conditioner is pine bark fines...it seems it different parts of the country there are different names applied. Crushed granite is the same as chicken grit found at any feed store. It comes in two sizes called "starter" and "super" which is really turkey grit. Turface is the same as the non clumping kitty litter. Can be found at Walmart in the orange bag. A lot cheaper than ordering Turface...hope this helps you and takes some of the mystery and cost of finding these products.
Imageclintbrown
May 6, 2010 12:03 PM CST
Name: Clint Brown
Medina, TN
aka Echinaceamaniac
Thanks so much for the info!
Imagecoconut
May 6, 2010 1:57 PM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11
Kitty litter? I can use plain kitty litter?
Melissa

killdawabbit
Jun 30, 2010 2:06 PM CST
Name: Kyle
Christiana, TN
Al, why didn't you answer the previous question?
Imageclintbrown
Jun 30, 2010 2:54 PM CST
Name: Clint Brown
Medina, TN
aka Echinaceamaniac
I would like to update that all the coneflowers I planted in this mixture died. LOL.

I made up my own alternative mixture and they are doing much better. I used soil from the garden mixed with the Pine Fines. None of the Turface is needed for my plants.
Imagecoconut
Jun 30, 2010 5:28 PM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11
Well, bummer. You'd gone to so much trouble.

If you have something that works for you, stick with it.

Yeh, right, I'm always experimenting!
Melissa

killdawabbit
Jul 2, 2010 10:30 PM CST
Name: Kyle
Christiana, TN
At my Lowes Evergreen Soil Conditioner is pine bark fines. Also known as Gardener's Gold.
Imagevalleylynn
Jul 3, 2010 4:16 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR zone 8
Well, just wanted to let you know Al, results are already coming in on my experiment with your potting recipe for my semps.
I planted in both your recipe and just plain Miracle Grow potting mix. No surprise to you I'm sure, your recipe wins hands down. The plants in pots using your mix are much more vigorous, producing more offsets and just all round doing better. I even amended my newly planted raised bed with components of your recipe.
The plants in the MG are not doing all that well, the peat bases mix dries out to fast or stays to soggy when there is a lot of rain.
I am a believer now, but I have to say I had some doubts. All for not. Rolling my eyes.
Thank you Al. Thumbs up
Imageclintbrown
Jul 3, 2010 8:21 PM CST
Name: Clint Brown
Medina, TN
aka Echinaceamaniac
I can see how it would work with those plants. For me the mix dries out too quickly. It dried out so quickly that by the time i got home from work all the plants were wilted and near dead. I used all I had left for some cactus and succulents. I did learn a lot from this experiment.
Imagevalleylynn
Jul 3, 2010 8:39 PM CST
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR zone 8
I have found that the Turface is holding some moisture but not soggy, the succulents do beautifully in this mix. I was surprised how much moisture it retains. I also planted my Adenium in the same mix. They are doing very well.
Imagetomatofreak
Jul 11, 2010 12:06 PM CST
Name: Alma
Phoenix & Cottonwood, AZ
USDA zone 9b, Sunset 13 & ??
riceke wrote:Crushed granite is the same as chicken grit found at any feed store. It comes in two sizes called "starter" and "super" which is really turkey grit. Turface is the same as the non clumping kitty litter. Can be found at Walmart in the orange bag.


Are you sure "crushed granite" is as fine as chicken grit? In this part of the country it's also known as 1/4 minus, granite with pieces as big as 1/4 inch but mostly fines.

When you say Turface is non-clumping kitty litter, do you mean the old-fashioned clay litter? Like the original Johnny Cat?

I am doing so badly with succulents and the like that I really need to make my own 'soil'; I just want to be sure I do it right.

Alma
In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. – Thomas Jefferson

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