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Imagestarlight1153
Apr 14, 2014 6:02 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
I have this seedling. I have tried it in a pot. I have tried it in the ground in full sun, part shade. I have tried it by itself and tried it in a bed with other Daylilies and year after year all I get it one or two fans. I haven't been able to get this baby to increase at all.

Any suggestions on what I might try?
Imagelyle627
Apr 15, 2014 7:00 AM CST
Name: Lyle
Phoenix
Shy of using Bap, I would say you may have a seedling that is slow to increase, also known as a hybridizers nightmare especially if it is a very nice seedling.

You may try Nutricote 18-6-8, foliar spray with something like 24-8-16, and of course alfalfa is always a good recommendation for daylilies.

But, remember some daylilies are just slow to increase, and it is usually the daylilies that hold their price the longest that increase slow.
Imagestarlight1153
Apr 15, 2014 8:36 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Thanks for your help and suggestion Lyle. I'll give it a try. I have some alfalfa so I'll give that a try first. I'll look for the Nutricote when I go to Home Depot. maybe they will carry some.

Quoting:But, remember some daylilies are just slow to increase, and it is usually the daylilies that hold their price the longest that increase slow.


I didn't realize that. Learned something new today.

Yes, it is a nice seedling. I think so anyways. I know there is no such thing really as blue in a Daylily, but this baby shows blue. I about squished a bunch of other seedlings and tripped over my own feet in my haste to get to it the first time I saw it bloom. It may just be the reflection of the sun or maybe it does somehow have a touch of blue in it, but when you look at it, you see blue and white. Than again maybe I just color blind, Hilarious! but I really ....really want to see this baby increase and hopefully one day work with it.

If I don't get it to increase pretty soon may have to consider farming it out too to somebody with more experience. Maybe somebody would have better luck with it. Sure hate to see it croak as I'll probably never have another Daylily in my life time that shows up blue.

I take bad pics and have old, old cheap camera so in pic it looks purple, but this the baby I trying to save, hopefully.

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I love all my Daylilies, the good, the bad and the down right ugly even have beauty, but I am really fixated on this one.
Imagelyle627
Apr 15, 2014 2:07 PM CST
Name: Lyle
Phoenix
That is a nice seedling! I don't know what you plan to do with it, if it will give up the eye you could make some nice patterned seedling.

I like JUDGE NANCY for a pollen parent I made some nice seedling with it. Your seedling looks like a large bloom so I would stay away from the blue eyed minis, unless you plan on several crosses

This seedling is a INFINITY & BEYOND X JUDGE NANCY - both parents are good performers..
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Imagetink3472
Apr 16, 2014 5:37 AM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonmnet, FL zone 8b
As Lyle said some daylilies are slow increasers. Being you are in zone 8 a/b I would think you get pretty good weather (except this year) for a good portion of the year for plants to grow. I have some that increase up to 30 fans and then I have others that want to just stay at 4 or 5 fans. I have some that even though I cut it in half each year by the end of the season it's right back where it was before I cut half of it off.

Even if you used Bap to get increase that doesn't work on all daylilies either. The main thing we use here in the beds is Alfalfa pellets, slow release 18-6-12 or something close (depending on time of year we may get 2-3 month release or 6-9 month release, and some other amendments like Milorganite, chicken litter, and we fertilize regularly with Miracle-Gro water soluble fertilizer. If you go to Home Depot the nutricote is usually sold as "Dynamite" and they do carry Osmocote. If you need a larger bag then I would check with a feed and seed store or a local nursery.
Imagemcash70
Apr 16, 2014 9:29 AM CST
Name: Margaret
BC, Can.
Star and Lyle, those are beautiful seedlings. Thumbs up



Tink or Lyle, can I just take a shovel and chop a clump in half without digging up the whole thing?? Shrug!
Imagestarlight1153
Apr 16, 2014 5:50 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Lyle... I haven't really decided what to do with it yet. I'm not even sure if it a Dip or a Tet yet. The bloom is big but the foliage and whole plant was so tiny and I was afraid to mess with it for fear of losing it that I have more or less just let it be hoping mainly for it to increase some.

When it has been in bloom I have missed the window of opportunity to collect pollen or it seems to be raining on that day and I sure to afraid to try and set a pod on it.

I have this seedling that if I did get the chance to work it, that I might try it with.

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or this one.

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Either that or I need to hunt for something. Might try your suggestion Lyle although I think your seedling prettier than either parent. Lovey dubby

I am usually a pretty to pretty, or a " I wonder what will happen if" type of dabber, so I am not very strong in trying to predict what may or may not come from the cross. A lot of crosses I try to make always seem to abort, so I do a lot of seed shopping. That is why I am a seedaholic. *Blush* Besides I love surprises. Big Grin

I don't have a lot of patterned eye Daylilies that have blues or lavender in them. I have alot of deep burgundy's or ones with red overtones.

Thanks Tink..... I appreciate the information. I have seen Dynamite on the shelf, just haven't ever bought any of it. I should have a good zone to grow in, but I have alot of problems with the heat and humidity. Usually April and May is when I have blooms. Than I might get a few scragglers in June. Once July hits everything starts going into a summer dormancy. Than come fall when things start cooling down foliage starts coming back up. I have bought a lot of rebloomers too and have never had one to rebloom.

Maybe if I load up on the alfalfa and the Dynamite maybe I will have a better year. Everytime I water them I use Miracle grow on them. Last year I even feed them composted rabbit manure hoping it would help.

Wow! I can't even imagine seeing 30 fans of something all together. Must look spectacular when in bloom. Thumbs up




Imagetink3472
Apr 16, 2014 6:48 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonmnet, FL zone 8b
mcash70 wrote:Star and Lyle, those are beautiful seedlings. Thumbs up



Tink or Lyle, can I just take a shovel and chop a clump in half without digging up the whole thing?? Shrug!


Yes you can take a shovel and do that. I have done it numerous times and the clump didn't even know it had been chopped in half. Now keep in mind I do not do this to all my daylilies, just the ones that are huge clumps that are staying where they are and need to be divided. I give the other half to the daylily club for sale plants.

I am not to be held responsible if you do this and your daylily does not like it Whistling
Imagetink3472
Apr 16, 2014 6:58 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonmnet, FL zone 8b
starlight1153 wrote:Thanks Tink..... I appreciate the information. I have seen Dynamite on the shelf, just haven't ever bought any of it. I should have a good zone to grow in, but I have alot of problems with the heat and humidity. Usually April and May is when I have blooms. Than I might get a few scragglers in June. Once July hits everything starts going into a summer dormancy. Than come fall when things start cooling down foliage starts coming back up. I have bought a lot of rebloomers too and have never had one to rebloom.

Maybe if I load up on the alfalfa and the Dynamite maybe I will have a better year. Everytime I water them I use Miracle grow on them. Last year I even feed them composted rabbit manure hoping it would help.

Wow! I can't even imagine seeing 30 fans of something all together. Must look spectacular when in bloom. Thumbs up




Wow really, no rebloom. Do you water regularly or just let them get watered from the rain? I'm in zone 8b and we water every day (of course we have a well so we can) and we very rarely have any go into summer dormancy from the heat. When we have a normal winter we start getting a few blooms in March and more in April; our peak bloom is mid May. But I will say we get rebloom on just about everything here and we actually get 2 or 3 reblooms on most. We would have blooms well into October and maybe even November if we did not cut the scapes after hybridizing.

Even if you load up on alfalfa and Dynamite if they are not getting enough water they may not do too much better.
Imagemcash70
Apr 16, 2014 8:05 PM CST
Name: Margaret
BC, Can.
Tink, no problem, these are large clumps and not expensive daylilies, I am going to give them away, I just didn't want to dig them up, divide and replant, I have gotten very lazy in my old age. Hilarious! Thank you very much! I tip my hat to you.
Imagestarlight1153
Apr 17, 2014 6:01 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Tink.... Generally I have to water everyday once the spring rains end. We get flooded now and than it desert city. Once those constant 90F and 100F + days hit with 100% humidity nothing hardly ever grows.

You get a shower, feel nice , clean and refreshed , walk outside and 5 minutes later your sweating so bad.

I'd love to have a well. I cringe every month when I get my water bill. I am thinking about taking samples of my water and having it sent off for analysis. Our water is terrible here. You can't drink it, or rather, you don't want to drink it. When water supply is down, they pump alot of something that creates like air bubbles into it, and it fizzes for several minutes before it stops, plus when the fizzes stop, you know how when you wash dishes that if you don't get all the soap off how you have like a soap film on top? Our water has this film on it and it will be maybe 15 to 20 minutes before it will disappear.

You have to keep cases of bottled water if you want to drink. I even use the bottled water for my hummer feeders as I am afraid of our tap water and the film might hurt the critters.

But....

Quoting: We would have blooms well into October and maybe even November if we did not cut the scapes after hybridizing.


Is that for after blooms too that were not hybridized or are you cutting new scapes coming up to save energy for the plant? Usually soon as a scape has died I pull it out, also some times as soon as a scape is done blooming, I will cut it off and remove it even though it still green. The Daylilies with so much red and burgandy melt in the heat here and look so bad and make so much mush on the leaves.
Imagetink3472
Apr 17, 2014 7:39 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonmnet, FL zone 8b
starlight1153 wrote:

Is that for after blooms too that were not hybridized or are you cutting new scapes coming up to save energy for the plant? Usually soon as a scape has died I pull it out, also some times as soon as a scape is done blooming, I will cut it off and remove it even though it still green. The Daylilies with so much red and burgandy melt in the heat here and look so bad and make so much mush on the leaves.


If the scapes have pods on them we leave them on the plant, anything else gets cut off (new scapes, scapes with buds still left). Yes this is to save energy for the plant. Since we sell daylilies we want them to increase and/or the fans to get bigger instead of trying to bloom. I have had some that as soon as I would cut a new scape off it would send up another and I would cut it off and then more would pop up.

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