Health-related aspects forum: More bullcrap from the surgeon general
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| Our surgeon general just released a report full of bull crap. I honestly think that this will greatly advance the agendas of those who want to make tobacco illegal. Some quotes from the news release: “Inhaling even the smallest amount of tobacco smoke can also damage your DNA, which can lead to cancer.” "Even brief exposure to secondhand smoke can cause cardiovascular disease and could trigger acute cardiac events, such as heart attack." This will give *everyone* a free pass to sue any smoker. Anyone who has a heart attack or gets cancer anywhere in their bodies will be able to cite this and blame their cancer on that one puff of secondhand smoke that they breathed years ago. Come on....these people need to get a life. Have you ever seen anyone who dropped dead from a heart attack just from taking a single breath of second hand cigarette smoke? Since many of us grew up in a time when 40% of adults smoked (and they smoked indoors), I guess that means that all of the cancers and heart attacks of everyone over 40 "could" be due to smokers of the 60's and 70's. Yeah....right. Grrrrrrrr....... Link for news release: http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2010pres/12/20101209a.html |
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I'm surprised there's anyone living.....  My problem with their comments is that they do not have enough evidence to make those statements. They are threats, not knowledgeable statements. There's not been enough funding for or research conducted to prove it. What will people be dying from 50 yrs from now? |
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| There is not even basis for making such claims. All of the other potentail contaminants and health risks that also appeared, existed, and increased during a period when 'adulthood' meant (along with other rights of passage) smoking get ruled out. When I'm stuck on the highway with my chimney (sun roof) open the fumes that spew at me are hardly tabacco related. Who put artificial substances in my food? Who recommended medications made from who knows what by who knows who that are toxic with side-effects? What chemicals are in the building materials of the day? What was sprayed on the field where my produce grows? Who dumped sewage purified by chemicals into my water supply? What lines my pipes? Why do birds fall from the sky? Must be those dad-bern cigarettes. Right? Woman on the eastbound train ...........................................Je Suis Désolé. (also a mule lovin', Charley huggin' girl) |
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| I say that a bunch of manure too. I wish folks would quit making statements like that with out the proper amount of scientific data. Wat ha s me even more upset is cigs going to go up again, was on one of the news stations. Go after the othe r ba d health folks. Anybody got any tobacco seeds they willing to trade for? Or tell me where to get some. I don't know how to grow it, but by golly, I living in the south , so sure I can find some old timey farmer or retired person that could tell me how. |
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| No, but there are tobacco sheds all over down there so I bet if you have the land and the sun you could grow some...as long as THAT stays legal! I just re-read my last post. I can spell...really, I must've been tired.  Woman on the eastbound train ...........................................Je Suis Désolé. (also a mule lovin', Charley huggin' girl) |
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| The seeds aren't expensive. This is one of the better sites for tobacco growing info. http://www.seedman.com/Tobacco.htm Tobacco is fairly easy to grow. The tricky part is curing it so that it isn't too harsh, doesn't mold, etc. For a tobacco to taste good, you generally want a couple different kinds that you then blend together. Also, tobacco is a very heavy feeder and will deplete the soil. You have to rotate where you grow it. The site says that an average plant can provide about 3 ounces of smokable tobacco (a pack usually equals about one ounce.) |
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| Does it need full sun? Woman on the eastbound train ...........................................Je Suis Désolé. (also a mule lovin', Charley huggin' girl) |
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| Yeah, it's full sun. The curing process that I like best is either fire-cured or flue-cured. Unfortunately, I don't have a practical way to do either. To me, air-cured tobaccos are more harsh. There are some Turkish tobaccos that are sun cured but they have the climate to do that. Plus I smoke very little Turkish since it is a very mild kind of tobacco with low nicotine. I really don't have a large enough lot to rotate the plants to a full sun spot. It was interesting to grow but I left it go to flower and put it in the compost pile when the frost killed it. I'm too lazy to cure it properly. |
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| Yes, it looks like a lot of work. We have a few growers here (in WI) I think because I have noticed the curing sheds, but the south os fill of fields and sheds all it seemed in recall, in full sun. Hot work there even with the right machinery. Woman on the eastbound train ...........................................Je Suis Désolé. (also a mule lovin', Charley huggin' girl) |
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