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ImageMitchF
Jan 14, 2011 3:00 PM CST
Name: Mitch Fitzgerald
Oklahoma
Hey all okay here goes. 1 anyone gather or use ok natives? Back in tx I used loads of natives but I cannot find anyone here that uses them and worried that if I go gather seed I will get thugs and not natives there also 2 we have a flower box at the church only 8 to 12 inches deep full sun and set in brick any idea on what will love it there and look good also there ? 3 where are the swaps and trades here in ok in tx every few weeks there was something now I am here trying to rebuild and do not have people to trade swap and learn from like I did down south. Any help would be great - I love being back home but the challenges are hard here with so few gardeners to really learn from
Mitch Fitzgerald
PUGHBEAR7
May 3, 2011 4:13 PM CST
Hi Mitch how haveyou been? we use a lot of natives but they are hybridized natives. Echinacea, Coreopsis, Gaillardia to name a few. What natives are you thinking about? There is a natives nursery up around stillwater busanii plant farm if I have the spelling right. Please excuse som of my typo's or misspelled names.
Dave
Pughbear7
Frillylily
May 3, 2011 5:52 PM CST
Missouri
I think for full sun and brick you will need something that will take lots of heat. The brick will make it hotter most likely.
I don't know anything about natives, but you can try sedums, they grow on a rock practically and some can grow down the sides.
They come back after winter too.
When you say flower box, do you mean a raised bed? or a window box?
ImageMitchF
May 5, 2011 6:47 AM CST
Name: Mitch Fitzgerald
Oklahoma
Pugh and Frilly - Thank you... I might need to look into mixed Natives. I have found frogfruit, cone flower, black eyed susan, grasses, native clamatis, sunflower, fall asters, native pholx, winecups...

Back in Texas I left my garden there I have 90% natives with some Iris, Daylilies, and roses in the mix (and over 300 Daylilies so you can kinda see the size of my gardens down there) Natives were everywhere - and so easy to get... here in OK I am just not finding gardeners that use natives, or places close by that sell anything native.. (but I can find tons of plants that would never live through our summers!)

Looking for Ironweed, Frostweeds, Poppies, Indian Grass, Indian Blanket, Primroses, Goldenrod, Sumacs, etc... and just having a dickens of a time finding them.

My gardens are a 20x100 foot wide bed in half shade (got it in this winter) a 30x30 area of almost full shade, a 20x20ish area of veggies, and a 30x20 area in full sun for natives and Iris. I then have baby trees and shrubs over the bulk of the other area so that in time I will have a shade forest area in the back of my lot here ( small lot but I can get everything out of it I want and need!)

Mitch Fitzgerald
PUGHBEAR7
May 5, 2011 2:57 PM CST
Mitch have you tried hazzards gor seeds of the natives you want? I love their site. they have so much variety and the seed is fresh and tested. here is the link. I have some blanket flower but its not just blanket flower is hybridized. Let me look over the weekend I may have some stuff I can send for postage
http://www.hazzardsgreenhouse.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Scr...

Dave
ImageMitchF
May 5, 2011 7:13 PM CST
Name: Mitch Fitzgerald
Oklahoma
Good link going to have to take the time to comb through there and find the natives! Thank you Dave!
Mitch Fitzgerald
Frillylily
May 5, 2011 7:48 PM CST
Missouri
http://rareseeds.com/

This place is only about 30 mins from me.
They have alot of heirloom seeds and they are supposed to not carry any hybrid seed. I know that it is not OK native, but they have alot of neat things and you might find something useful. They also put out a gorgeous full color catalog that has a lot of info in it. I have never bought from them though. I don't get along well with seeds!
ImageMitchF
May 6, 2011 8:49 AM CST
Name: Mitch Fitzgerald
Oklahoma
I order garden seed from them every year - and love working with them... sadly not natives but I love their veggies and yes I have even bought flowers there!
Mitch Fitzgerald
PUGHBEAR7
May 27, 2011 8:12 PM CST
Sorry mitch got side tracked. I know I have some coreopsis, echinacea and rudbeckia seeds which all are natives to oklahoma and the prairie states. I am sure there are a lot more never really looked into it.

have you found any sources for info on oklahoma natives that might be interesting? Have you caught the oklahoma gardening show on the weekends put on by the osu ag dept.? There is a nursery up in stillwater bustani plant farms they seem to know a lot about the oklahoma natives.
Of course with our horid native soils only the stout survive with out help.

Frilly its not that tough I have found. I have a small greenhouse that I mist for 5 min every 2 hours. i manage to pump a lot of cuttings and seeds out of the greenhouse. I did like 10 trays of 50 cells with seeds (5 per cell). I got quite a germination and now I am thinning them out and getting them to finish out the cells.
I also have managed to do about 60 trays with half already hardened off. I have a friend who has been coming over twice a week to help me with the cuttings and transplanting. She is planning to do a nursery/garden center next spring. Its been fun talking about plants to someone face to face. I am looking forward to helping get the nursery off the ground.
Her place is kind of a blank slate with a pond a home, greenhouse and shed. some gardens but nothing huge. We are planning to do display beds.
anyway sorry to vear off course. Frilly if you need help just hollar. i will try to find an answer for you. i know mitch has a lot of knowledge as well and he has always been happy to chat with me.

Have a great weekend
Dave
ImageMitchF
May 30, 2011 11:01 AM CST
Name: Mitch Fitzgerald
Oklahoma
Dave -

How much fun - I love to work cuttings and try my best to get them everywhere that I can... leave it said I am known in the area for taking cuttings (after asking first!)

I have seen the OSU shows and a lot of great info in there but I have only found that one nursery that sells native plants (stillwater is a little far for me but might have to make the trip) I have gone to every place in the area right here and ask about natives - they have no idea and show me heirloom plants... oh well... If I get a base and gardens built up I just might have to sell some of the plants myself just to get the mix really going in the area. Here at least everyone plants the same dozen or so plants and most places selling plants only sell the same number of plants... so having some block after the high numbers of different plants offered in the Dallas area ( even there only three places sold only natives but they all had a native section)
Mitch Fitzgerald
ImageMitchF
May 30, 2011 11:19 AM CST
Name: Mitch Fitzgerald
Oklahoma
Found this listing... one is here in my small town and never heard of them before! anyway -


Clear Creek Farm and Gardens: Loretta and Kirk Bowers, P.O. Box 89, Peggs, OK 74452; (918) 598-3782.
Johnston Seed Company: 319 West Chestnut, Enid, OK; johnseed&johnstonseed.com or
1-800-375-4613. They provide custom mixes.
Oklahoma Wildflowers: 207 Mulberry, Okeene, OK 73763; [email protected] or (580) 822-3655.
Sanctuary Gardens, Inc.: Victoria Gonzales, Blanchard, OK; Specializing in water plants: (405) 485-9557.
StoneBridge Garden Center: Martin Stone, 700 E. Will Rogers Blvd., Claremore, OK 74017;
[email protected] or (918) 341-1228.
Sunshine Nursery & Arboretum: Steve and Sherry Bieberich, Rt. 1, Box 4030, Clinton, OK 73601;
(4050) 323 6509 or [email protected].
Wild Things Nursery: Marilyn and Ken Stewart, 114 Quail Run, Seminole, 74868. They do not sell directly
out of their nursery but attend many herb shows and markets including Norman’s.
Contact at [email protected] or 405-382-8540 for information or plant listing.
Mitch Fitzgerald
PUGHBEAR7
May 31, 2011 8:29 AM CST
Mitch thak you so much for the list of suppliers. Its sad that more people do not recognize the importance of natives and how well they do with little to no care.
I did think of another native. Blazing start - Liatris - a long spiked flower purple in color. they sell the bulbs in a lot of places including the big box stores. If I think of any others or come up with another site I will post it here for you.
I finally got my plants listed here as well as ebay and dave's garden. Any suggestions would be greatly apreciated. So far the feedback has been great just not much in sales but hey its a slow year all around for sales.
I hope you had a great weekend
Dave
ImageMitchF
Jun 7, 2011 7:32 AM CST
Name: Mitch Fitzgerald
Oklahoma
Dave sorry I have been soooo slow!

The lists here and there and there look great - I hope things really start taking off for you!
Mitch Fitzgerald

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