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Jan 26, 2011 6:10 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
This latest issue of Ms. Burton's observations and annoyances seems to be well tempered, especially the part where she states that 3 hoyas, H. sipitanguensis, H. walliniana and H. yapuensis are all synonimous. I have thought they looked so very much alike, as well (I think I would throw H. nabuanensis in there but then again, I am not a taxonomist). My question, is however, what about fragrance? To me H. sipitanguensis and H. walliniana have two very distinct (from eachother) fragrances... and this is a subject of investigation by a number of young taxonomists at this time. Stay tuned...I;ll pass on what I learn.

H. aff. albiflora: yes, Joni erred in omitting the "aff." from the name... and it was, actually, Ms. Burton who told me I should call it H. aff. albiflora. David Liddle did some preliminary investigations into this hoya at the Herbarium in Brisbane...but would not commit himself...and unfortunately he died before he could get back to it. Both Mark Randal and Ted Green think it is probably H. magnifica...but then again, the frangrances are so different!!! The differences in fragrances are, of course, based on which pollinator the flower is attracting...wonder how that works between same species in different locals?

As for her comments about Ted Green NOT being honest...I think that is a low blow. He may have been mistaken (with some hoya IDs) but that, to me, is not dishonesty as regards business. Her comment that he said..."Oh I knew that but I had to call it something..." is a quote she has stated often with regards to Ted in several different instances...so I tend to think it is just 'filler' for her nastyness. Ted also has a wry sense of humor...and he likely did say that phrase at one point...maybe even then vis a vis H. chlorantha. Who knows? Who cares?

Chris Burton could do the world a GREAT favor by sharing her knowledge with us, but holding her biased opinions to herself.

When Ms. Burton states : H. diptera and H. vanuatuensis are the same, she is making the same error she accuses others of making in publishing hoyas. Ted Green published H. vanuatuensis and as far as I know it has been accepted as that hoya...accepted by his peers (except Ms. Burton). Because Ms. Burton doesn't think it is that hoya...she should preface her statement that it is in HER opinion...

I believe the hoya that Joni lists as H. fischeriana is H. aff fischeriana...not claiming to be H. fischeriana... I could be wrong. I have that hoya which blooms very differently from Ted Greens' H. fischeriana... It's a sweet hoya...blooms constantly all summer....I love it!!!

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Jan 28, 2011 8:03 AM CST
Name: Joni Kahn
Sarasota, Florida
Thanks for the info Carol...!
Correction...H. aff. albiflora: yes, Joni erred in omitting the "aff." from the name... and it was, actually, Ms. Burton who told me I should call it H. aff. albiflora.
Actually Ms. Burton omitted the 'aff.'...I've got it listed correctly on my website My Collection page.

I believe that my H. fischeriana maybe H. camphorifolia but my H. aff fischeriana is NOT since it blooms a gorgeous green/yellow and smells wonderful.

I like that there can be two sides to every story and in the case of Hoyas...maybe even three sides to each story.

Jan 28, 2011 11:56 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
I think it is pretty amazing that, not having done any studies on it, nor compared it to any information, she can be so sure of what it isn't/is... And...all of her critiques came from pictures on websites and to quote her "Photos can lie"....

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Jan 29, 2011 12:37 AM CST
Name: dorothy green
In Heaven there is no beer, that is
Hey Guys. You missed the Biggy. Sipitang is in Sabah, not Sarawak. OMG, Ms Buton made a mistake.
Remember Carol, we stopped at Sipitang on the way back from Tenom. We had lunch there I think, at least had an ice cream. It's on the ocean and smells like fish. ????
Anyway, I'll let everyone else figure out the plants, I really don't know enough about them to voice my opinion as to whether they are the same plant or not.
Another thing guys, the whole world seems to be collapsing around us. Revolution in the Arab world and the result probably will not be favorable to the west. I suppose if we can't have peace in our little hoya world, we can't expect peace on the world stage.

Thanks Carol for the kind words and support. We should be careful not to put too much emphasis on mistakes, or remarks made in jest, or just for something to say. Aloha, Dorothy Green.
Jan 29, 2011 12:09 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
OF COURSE! Duh. I do remember Sipitang...I bought an interesting vegetable peeler in the little store! Sure did smell like fish!

If only some people had more to do in life... Whistling
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