Identification forum: Seedling and Parent

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AlohaHoya
Jul 25, 2012 11:39 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
H. sp. Poring is one of my favorite hoyas...because of the leaves and because when it blooms (all summer) there are easily over 10 umbels going off over a short period of time. Great fragrance. Bad news is that the flowers don't last more than 48 hours, max. 2 years ago my plant produced seeds (self pollinated) which I grew out and I kept one which is now as big as the parent plant, blooming like the parent plant. I find the leaves on the seedling to be more attractive than the parent.... Here are both: the parent on the right and the seedling on the left.Thumb of 2012-07-25/AlohaHoya/ac7c56

I guess I find this really interesting because one would expect that a seedling from a self pollinated plant (i.e. no other plant involved in the pollination) would be an exact replica of the parent.... Big Grin
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Susan727
Jul 25, 2012 11:56 AM CST
Interesting. Does that throw other theories out the window?

Susan
AlohaHoya
Jul 25, 2012 12:38 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
I don't think so, Susan. To me it just shows how variable hoyas are...how genetically variable they are and how even offspring from the same parent can be different....so in the wild, what may be simply a seedling of Hoya "x" can be considered a new species.....
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Imagerevelation19
Jul 27, 2012 1:51 AM CST
Name: Daniel
Saxonia-Anhalt / Germany
I agree

Genetically variation is is a huge bunch more than Mendel´s peas....

I tried it a little with chickens and pigs, wow, you never know what in the parents put together and can´t even guess what will come out....
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein
AlohaHoya
Jul 30, 2012 10:37 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
I've learned quite a bit in the past couple of weeks about taxonomy vs. horticulture vis a vis this H. sp. Poring and her seedlings. I'll try to explain (it's the only way I can genuinely internalize the information):

We often see names on species which make sense to us, but which aren't taxonomically correct...for instance: H. lacunosa 'Poonsak'. H. lacunosa is the species and there are two legal (published) ssp: ssp. lacunosa and ssp. pallidaflora. The name 'Poonsak' has been given to it to distinuish it in it's leaf form ... same with 'Lankawi Island' etc. but they are NOT taxonomically correct but they are used horiculturally. In all reality those two clones are H. lacunosa ssp. pallidaflora.

I learned that when a seedling comes from a self pollinated species, unless there are MAJOR differences, that seedling is considered simply a variation within the species and given the name of the species parent. I had always thought this seedling would be a hybrid or a cultivar...but not so. It WOULD be or COULD be if the cross were between a different species OR if the seedling produced were radically different from the parent and that difference proved to be stable thru vegetative propation.

So....to all my friends to whom I sent a seedling....your seedling is, indeed, H. sp. Poring.

That said....I have found that some of the seedling are better bloomers than others. I kept 2 seedlings which are quite large now and one of them blooms profusely and the other almost never.

Go figger!!!
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Susan727
Jul 30, 2012 4:29 PM CST
Ok..keep it up and make some crosses or self pollinated plants and send them out to your fans. I would have ordered one of those if I had seen the mother plant. :-)
AlohaHoya
Jul 30, 2012 8:32 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Thanks, Susan. I have a tough time getting my head around most of the very intricate parts of botanical nomenclature - and a tougher time remembering it! Yikes!! However, it is very clear, concise, no exceptions, rules about naming plants that is complicated enough and simple enough at the same time so that it pertains to ALL families of plants from cacti to orchids to redwoods to lawn grass. Lots of time I think that something is 'legal' and it sure isn't....and that there is a big difference between that and horticulture. I see the word (hort.) after a name, now, and it tells me that it is a 'common name' as opposed to the botanical one. When we see the name 'carrot' it should have (hort.) after it because it is the common name...

Oh well...crosses and self pollinated seedlings are fun to grow out! I like mysteries! Whistling
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