Identification forum: A mystery solved.....

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AlohaHoya
Oct 25, 2012 11:24 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Many years ago I got H. sp. 1391 from David Liddle...and it grew and it grew...but with lots of problems as the plant just didn't seem healthy. So, as I do with many that seem iffy, I stuck it outside under a tree hanging from a branch.... Fast forward a couple of years, and I got a lovely cutting of H. sp. Teneba Pass from Ted Green. This one grew a bit more easily...but when mature and after blooming I thought it was just too similar to IML 1391. This has bugged me for some time so yesterday I worked on it:

H. sp. 1391, on Davids List, gives it's provenance (where it is from) as IPPS 8898 which is a number from Paul Shirley's collection. Hmmmmm. I mentioned this to Ted Green who said..."Oh Yeah, Paul and I were together when we collected that...David must have gotten it from Paul".

End of Story. Now I KNOw they are the same plant. I also know that it was collected at about 2500/3000 feet which means that the IML version was in too much sunlight. Eventhough Ted lives at just about sea level, his plant was more robust... Teneba Pass is in Sulawesi...

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plumania
Oct 26, 2012 4:35 AM CST
Name: Alka
South Florida
That is just beautiful. It feels so good to be able to solve a longstanding riddle.
Lovely leaves and flower is very nice too. I saw an old post about H. sp Teneba Pass , from you. That one has flowers a bit on the yellowish side but color probably does not matter.
AlohaHoya
Oct 26, 2012 11:14 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Yes...I was really pleased with the solution. I am taking one of the plants up to a friend who lives at 4000 feet to see if it will grow there...

I have no faith in the color of flowers... My deep pink H. acuta is now blooming a very pale pink since I put her outside to grow up a tree.....
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Imagemitzi
Oct 31, 2012 3:53 AM CST
Name: Mitzi Costa
Sao Paulo/Brazil
Carol,

Why do you think they change the colour if exposed to sun????

Or it didn't get any sun up in the tree?
AlohaHoya
Oct 31, 2012 11:25 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
I know the answer to that MItzi...but I can't spell the words!!!! There is a red pigment 'gene' in the leaves that is activated by high light....and it protects the leaf from being damaged.
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Imagemitzi
Nov 8, 2012 8:31 AM CST
Name: Mitzi Costa
Sao Paulo/Brazil
Here no one can get hoya obscura with that pink leaf as I saw in many pictures even when exposed to the sun all day long.

We have a friend in Northeast of Brazil (which is a very hot place) and her obscura stays in the sun all day long, but the leaves still as green as mine (inside the apartment).

AlohaHoya
Nov 8, 2012 11:29 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
There IS a clone of H. obscura that does NOT turn red....and that's funny because the name, OBSCURA, means 'dark' because of the leaf changing to that dark red/brown.
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Imagemitzi
Nov 9, 2012 3:50 AM CST
Name: Mitzi Costa
Sao Paulo/Brazil
I have 3 obscuras, and for sure none get that beautiful color, so my friend that lives in another state known by "Sunny State".

Once I bought an obscura from Paul Shirley, it was that type with red leaves, just beautiful, only for the leaves, but it didn't make.

Now I'm looking for that one, I bought one from Joni, bur hers is the "white form", probably I'll have to order from Paul Shirley again.

Do you know the difference from obscura and obscura major?


Mitzi

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