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Imagedarius
Feb 11, 2010 9:05 AM CST
Name: darius
SW VA Blue Ridge Mountains
Carol, I'd love to know anything about my Noel family from England but I fear it would be an arduous task since I have absolutely no beginning point and wouldn't dare ask someone for help! All I know isn't enough to even start... He was born in 1787, and took the boat from Liverpool. Heck, I don't even have him on a ship's passenger list. AlohaHoya (on DG) is of the same distant family, and she and her sister have a 2 week trip planned to England this summer for research.

Worse than that is my paternal great grandfather who came from Wales as a stowaway! You can betcha I'd never find him in Wales even though I know the town, as there are thousands by the same name.

At least my Hardesty's have some documentation from Yorkshire, LOL.
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Imageokus
Feb 11, 2010 9:18 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
Hi Darius,

What was his Christian name - the Noel I mean? You never know what will come out of the woodwork till you poke it Rolling my eyes.
Carol

Imageokus
Feb 11, 2010 9:43 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
I can offer you several male Noels born in 1786/7/8; John from Oving in Sussex, Phillip from Jersey and Abraham from Guernsey (both these are in the Channel Islands) and Israel from Cumberland in Northern England.
There seem to be loads in adjacent years in the Channel Islands too and one from France. The Channel Islands are part of the UK but are actually closer to France than here so there is a strong French connection and Noel is Christmas in French.

Any of that any good?
Carol

Imagedarius
Feb 11, 2010 10:57 AM CST
Name: darius
SW VA Blue Ridge Mountains
Carol, his Christian name was William, born 16 Nov 1787, don't know if that's a Julian date or what... Oral tradition in my family says that the Noel's came to England from France but I've never heard when that occurred.

My guess would be that they were in England more than a generation or two. He married here in 1829 when he was 41, and I don't know when he arrived here. I've heard it said he left a wife and 6 children behind but I always wondered if that was his mother and siblings?

All in all, it's not very important to me as this time so please don't go to any trouble on my behalf, okay?

Many, many years ago I contacted Somerset House about finding someone to research for me. But between being poorly paid, and not sure about how to pay in Pounds Sterling, I never pursued their reply. Even now, to upgrade my Ancestry membership to a World membership is more than I can handle. Social Security checks simply do not stretch, LOL.
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ImageHappy_1
Feb 12, 2010 7:37 AM CST
Name: Nancy or \"Hap\"
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Carol,

Thanks for the offer, but there is so much info that I have to search.

Just one is Edwin Newell, Master of the Guild of Gold and Silver Drawers, (1864). B. 6/3/1835 at St. John St. Road.(Think it's road, can't read the writing too well) Baptized at St. James Church, Clerkenwell, 7/20/1835. Died at sea aboard "Ben Voirlich" bound for Australia, 12/1/1856. Married 8/7/1856 in Islington Parrish to Eliza Sarah Johnson (B. 10/26/1836., d.2/14/1910. This is my great-grandfather and he had 10 children. Looking at the dates, not that they could be wrong, LOL, but Eliza must have been the second wife or they had 10 kids in 6 months.

(Didn't people go to Australia as prisoners back then?) Oh my.

Nancy
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Imageokus
Feb 12, 2010 11:55 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
Hi Nancy,
I'm away from home and my tools for the w/e but when I get home I'll look for you. Yes they did go as convicts, but also as emigrants too. I can check the convict list on Ancestry.co.uk for you. One of mine went too - you didn't have to do much to get deported then!!
Carol

ImageHappy_1
Feb 12, 2010 2:05 PM CST
Name: Nancy or \"Hap\"
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
That would be great, Carol. Although, is this 'too much information' for my children? LOL
Nancy
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Feb 12, 2010 3:13 PM CST
Name: Janet Colvin
Z8~Beaumont~Southeast Texas
Proud member of Cubits.org
LOL at your question Nancy. I found out over the summer that the father of one of my uncles (by marriage) was involved in a bank robbery. No, I haven't shared that with my kids.
ImageHappy_1
Feb 12, 2010 5:39 PM CST
Name: Nancy or \"Hap\"
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Only wish that would be by marriage....but he's mine!
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Feb 12, 2010 5:43 PM CST
Name: Janet Colvin
Z8~Beaumont~Southeast Texas
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Oh well..... ya gotta love 'em anyway! Lovey dubby
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Feb 12, 2010 7:33 PM CST
Name: Susan
Torrington, Alberta, Canada
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My my Carol...... you're a busy lady!
Everyone - she also offered to help me research my Singleton side (paternal) of the family, and found out some stuff! How wonderful is she?

I'd done a bit of research in the 90's, so I have pictures, etc, but have moved so many times that I'm sure to have packed most of it away - have some box sorting to find it again!! ^_^

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Imageokus
Feb 15, 2010 5:38 PM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
Happy_1

I found your Edwin Newll recorded as a death at sea, but your date is rather out it was Nov 1 1874. I've copied a snopped image here for you. Its the correct ship, right date of birth/age but wrong dateof death. And its the only E. Newell death at sea recorded, and it does allow him time to have had 10 children!!

There is also an entry in Government Gazettes, Victoria which confirms the 1874/5 date.

County: Victoria
Country: Australia
Year: 1875
Given name: Edwin
Surname: Newell
Subject: Estates of Deceased Persons
He was as you said born in Islington ( part of London) and baptised at St James', Clerkenwell on 22 Jul 1835 having been born on 30 June 1835.
In 1841 he was living in Caroline Square, in the parish of St John the Baptist, Margate Kent with his parents John an upholsterer aged 42 and Matilda age 40 and his 8 year old brother John.
In 1851 they were living inat 45 St John Sth Road, Clerkenwell, London and an older sister Emma age 26 had rejoined the family home.
By 1861 he was married to Eliza Sarah aged 25 from Clerkenwell and they had 3 Children, Edwin Frederick and Florence and 2 servants with them at 10 Green Terrace, Clerkenwell, London
By 1871 they had moved to Finsbury, address 1 Tuffnell Park Road, Holloway, London and now had 3 living in servants and 9 children, so they only had one more before he died!!.

Hope that straightens things out a little!!

Edited to add I didn't find him on the convict register at all!! There do appear to have been trade and customs entries for Newell & Mitchell from 1868 (and later just Newell) so i suspect either a business trip or emmigration

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Carol

ImageHappy_1
Feb 15, 2010 5:50 PM CST
Name: Nancy or \"Hap\"
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Carol,

I can't believe what you have found. It's going to take me time to digest this for it is unbelievable. Thank you so much for this search. After our vacation I will have to go on Ancestry.com. Evidently there is much to find with the into that I already have.

Again, I thank you so much for taking the trouble.

Born: Nancy Lee Newell.
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Imageokus
Feb 15, 2010 6:05 PM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
A quick follow up, it wasn't an emigrant voyage - most the rest of the family are still in England in 1881, 3 of the children still living with their widowed mother in Windsor Road Islington at least one of the younger boys is at a boarding school. Edwin H. I can't find in 1881 though he does make several trips to the UK from the USA ( New York) during the 1890s so I think that may be where he is, but its just a guess.
Carol

Imagedarius
Feb 15, 2010 6:27 PM CST
Name: darius
SW VA Blue Ridge Mountains
Wow, Carol, what great research!! No doubt Nancy is tickled, LOL.

~d
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ImageHappy_1
Feb 15, 2010 6:54 PM CST
Name: Nancy or \"Hap\"
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
You got that right, Darius... Hi, ya!

Carol,
My father told me that his father, went to boarding school. That would be John Newell. I also remember that my father said that his father always put his shoes outside his bedroom so that they would be polished in the morning. My grandfather went to Canada and then to the US. Rochester/Webster, NY, where he was a publisher. I have a calendar of his business of 1929.

This is just too much to realize that you got so much information in such a short time. You are amazing. Will keep in touch.

Thanks again.

Nancy
What would you attempt to do if you knew you would not fail? ~~Dr. Robert Schuller
Imageokus
Feb 16, 2010 6:44 AM CST
Name: Carol
Lincolnshire, UK
Nancy,

I have posted a little more information in the NEW UK Relatives forum .

The thread is here http://cubits.org/Ancestry/thread/view/5212/

Carol

ImageHappy_1
Feb 16, 2010 2:12 PM CST
Name: Nancy or \"Hap\"
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
That's Carol.
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ImageUniQueTreasures
Mar 11, 2010 12:54 PM CST
Name: Janet Colvin
Z8~Beaumont~Southeast Texas
Proud member of Cubits.org
I was looking on Facebook today for more resources for Ancestry and found this site. Ancestry World Project that is set up for you to help enter the information that is free world wide.
ImageWindigo
Feb 20, 2012 8:36 AM CST
Name: Deb
Not much notice, but Ancestry.com is allowing free access to the 1930 census. I guess it was over this past weekend. Today is the last day.

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