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Imagewildflowers
Feb 5, 2010 9:22 AM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Well I think there is a book out there with this title... although I haven't read it.

I know carrots do not love dill!! Do not plant carrots and dill together, dill stunts the growth of the carrots.
FAITH over fear!

ImageSteven
Feb 5, 2010 12:37 PM CST
Name: SW_Gardener
Ontario, Canada
Zone 6a
Really? I have a feeling I'm going to love this forum!
Do carrots and dill not like each other because they're members of the same family? hahaha
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ImageSteven
Feb 5, 2010 12:40 PM CST
Name: SW_Gardener
Ontario, Canada
Zone 6a
Last year I planted Calendulas with my Tomatos, and afterwards read that the calendulas were supposed to repel aphids. But both the tomatos and calenduas were covered in aphids. What went wrong?
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Imagewildflowers
Feb 5, 2010 2:48 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
hi Steven,
thanks for stopping by. I think that we can all learn from each other as we keep notes and experience what plants really work well together and which ones don't.

There are different varieties of calendula (marigold); there is one variety called "tagetes" which has an aroma that repels certain aphids. The tagetes have worked for me.

Maybe you could try another repellent. Basil is a good one and it is said to improve the growth and flavor of tomatoes as well.

Anise is another herb that is supposed to repel aphids...

I just know we can find a solution if we put our heads together Group hug
FAITH over fear!

ImageSteven
Feb 5, 2010 2:55 PM CST
Name: SW_Gardener
Ontario, Canada
Zone 6a
I'm not trying to cause trouble....but I had the aphids on my Tagetes as well :) They were the Cracker Jack type.Maybe certain varities work better then others? I had one basil but it got lost amoungst the Tomatos....maybe I need to try more Basil?
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Imagewildflowers
Feb 5, 2010 3:42 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Oh no, you are doing great! It is good information about the tagetes. Obviously they do not repel all aphids!

Chives might be another good choice to grow with your tomatoes. Or Rue, a pretty perennial with blish-gray leaves, although it is known to cause skin irritation on some folks.

One more option is to plant some sunflowers around the garden. As a decoy. The ants will herd the aphids to them. Sunflowers are tough enough to withstand the small amount of damage the aphids will do to them.

FAITH over fear!

Imagewildflowers
Feb 5, 2010 3:51 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
I just remembered.. I don't know where I learned this but it seems like there is only one true tagetes. This is, I think the French marigold. It is the one that has the strongest scent.

That might be why.
FAITH over fear!

ImageSteven
Feb 5, 2010 4:17 PM CST
Name: SW_Gardener
Ontario, Canada
Zone 6a
My aphids were black. Which I had never seen before...the only other ones I had ever got were the green kind.
So the French Marigolds work better then the other kind..........I think the cracker jacks are considered 'African' so maybe thats why they didn't work!
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ImageLadygardener1
Feb 5, 2010 7:02 PM CST
Name: Chris
NW Pa, Near Lake Erie
I have the book, and I was just thinking I need to put it into practice this year. I have been having a hard time with winter squash and the squash bugs. Book says to plant Nasturtiums. So I'll try that.
Steven, The book says clumps of chives will discourage the aphids, and that ants bring the aphids, but tansy will discourage the ants.
ImageRidesredmule
Feb 5, 2010 7:20 PM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida
Walk in Peace.
I have a bronze Basil that selfseeds every year and our tomatoes do very good.
Charleen
ImageSteven
Feb 5, 2010 9:12 PM CST
Name: SW_Gardener
Ontario, Canada
Zone 6a
Sometimes a good blast from the garden hose works good too Sticking tongue out

I have chives so I could probaly divide them....now, do I need to plant the chives and basil between the the tomatos or around them/near them?
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leaflady
Feb 5, 2010 10:11 PM CST
Name: leaflady
planet earth
Love the sinner, hate the sin
I always raise basil with my tomatoes. My Rue died last year. It was about 5 or 6 years old.

Green beans and onions/garlic are mortal enemies.

That book says to grow tomatoes in with asparagus. I tried it one year and had a terrible time separating the tomatoes at picking time. Too much plant of both kinds.

Tansy does a good job of repelling ants. Peonies do not need ants to make blooms and the ants are a terrible nuisance when you want cut flowers. I grow tansy in with my peonies.

Ammonia is an excellant slug killer. It will kill them instantly and fertilize the soil as well. You can spray it on iris and daylilies with no harmful effects.

GOD bless and keep each of you.
Imagewildflowers
Feb 6, 2010 7:09 AM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Steven, yes, and/or yes.

That will be great to have first hand info on the book, I was thinking I should buy one! Ladygardener, keep sharing your info, please.

Nasturtium I think is a great choice for detering squash bugs it is known to help ward off many pests in the cucurbit family. (although, Steven, I have read reports of them attracting the black aphids!!) There are fruit tree farmers plant nasturtium beneath their fruit trees (such as apple and peach) in the root zone to repel bugs and, then plow it back into the soil as green manure. *Flowering nasturtium prefers poor soil w/o fertilizers, so don't fertilize if you want lots of flowers.

Tansy will also deter squash bugs.. although tansy should not be grown anywhere you have livestock, as it is toxic to many animals.

Basil and tomatoes are a perfect match!

leaflady, to you dilute the ammonia to spray on your plants?

Thank you all. I look forward to us learning more from our experiences.
FAITH over fear!

leaflady
Feb 6, 2010 9:30 AM CST
Name: leaflady
planet earth
Love the sinner, hate the sin
No, I have read that you can do that and it is still effective but I use mine straight from the bottles. Lots of bottles some seasons.

Ducks & geese are great slug eaters. Chickens seem to be afraid of the large kinds but will eat the little grey ones.

Now I know why I can't grow natsturtiums. Our soil is black gumbo. Very rich and water retentive. But hard as a rock if it gets dry. I'll have to try growing some in containers near my squash. I didn't know tansy repeled squash bugs. Frankly I don't want to repel them, I want to kill them. A strong tobacco water with some ammonia in it does a good job but if you pour it onto the soil it will also kill the earthworms. I keep a spray bottle of it or some commercial insecticide near the squash vines most of the time. Don't make a hot pepper solution and pour it into the soil. It will cause a torturous death for the earthworms.

GOD bless and keep each of you. Have a great yardening season.
ImageSteven
Feb 6, 2010 12:02 PM CST
Name: SW_Gardener
Ontario, Canada
Zone 6a
So the power combo seems to be, Nasturtiums, Tansy, Basil and Chives. I've got 3 of those so just need to get some Tansy as I caught the ants farming the aphids last year. Grr.

Also I can comfirm that black aphids love Nasties but since they have smooth stems you can run them between finger and thumb and smoosh the aphids. Gross but effective!

I've heard too to becareful about using the hot pepper because an amimal might step in it, wash their face, then it gets in their eyes and they can end up doing alot of damage to themselves.
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Imagewildflowers
Feb 6, 2010 12:55 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Yikes.. I will definitely stay away from using hot pepper solutions!

Hand removal and a good spray with the hose are 1st choices of removing some pests like aphids. Other bugs, like slugs and tomato horn worms I don't want to touch. So I will be getting a spray bottle of ammonia! horn worms give me the Hebee-geebeez! I think because they hang on when you try to pull them off. Yucky.

Supposedly the tomato horn worms love tobacco plants and will flock to it instead of your tomatoes...hmmm. they were my tomato pest last year.

BTW, cute bunnies!

FAITH over fear!

ImageSteven
Feb 6, 2010 1:07 PM CST
Name: SW_Gardener
Ontario, Canada
Zone 6a
Thanks :) right now the bunnies are sitting on the caret in a patch of sun!

I've heard ammonia will melt, yes, melt a slug before your eyes! I've never tried it myself but heard someone say its quite enjoyable to watch the little buggers melt away Sticking tongue out
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leaflady
Feb 6, 2010 8:44 PM CST
Name: leaflady
planet earth
Love the sinner, hate the sin
I can't say I enjoy watching anything but cockroaches die( Clorox clean up does them in quicklyl Good clean death Hurray! )I use kitchen tongs to remove hornworms or just break off the branch it is on. Then I throw them into the burning barrel and burn some trash. When I had ducks and geese I gave them the hornworms but my banty chickens are afraid of them.

Datura(Jimson Weed to some of us) are a trap plant for the Sphinx Moth which is the adult stage of the tomato hornworm. It is also called the hummer or hummingbird moth because of its size and behavior. First one I ever saw I ran in and got the 22 pistol and tried to shoot it.LOL Never did hit it. Then I learned what it was. Now I try to spray them with insecticide of some kind. I'm not fast enough to net one.

If you hear of the aluminum foil or pie pan idea for keeping flea beatles off eggplant, remember that the sun will be reflected off the aluminum and cook the leaves. Much easier to remove and destroy the leaf or spray the leaf with ammonia. I might make a 50/50 solution for something tender like eggplant. Flea beatles are usually on the underside of the leaf so you won't know they are there until you see holes in the leaves. I also raise mints around my eggplants.

I don't know if the morning glories are detering the bean beatles or what but I have mgs all over the same chain link fence as my pole beans and have very few bean beatles. Maybe they don't like yard long beans very well. That is all I raise.

GOD bless and keep each of you.
ImageSteven
Feb 6, 2010 8:56 PM CST
Name: SW_Gardener
Ontario, Canada
Zone 6a
I remember reading that morning glories (Ipomoea purpurea) attract ladybugs. I'm not sure if its true or not. But last year I only had 1 morning glory and only found 1 ladybug all summer.
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Imagestephanietx
Feb 6, 2010 11:25 PM CST
Name: Stephanie
Fort Worth, TX (8a)
I recently checked out "Carrots Love Tomatoes" from our library. I found it interesting and informative, but most of the info in the book can be found online, such as the lists of companion plants. However, this year, I'm going to try some of the ideas.

Catmint supposedly repels aphids, CO potato beetles, and squash bugs.

Borage repels hornworms.

Sage repels cabbage moths.

Catnip repels aphids and cabbage pests.

We had a horrible time with aphids in the garden last year. I finally ended up using a mixture of Murphy's oil soap, a dash of ammonia, and compost tea diluted in a spray bottle. It worked well. What I really want to avoid are those hornworms. Those things are just disgusting looking and really creep me out!

Comfrey works well with tomatoes. You can harvest the leaves and let them steep in a 5-gal. container of water for about a week OUTSIDE as it'll reek to high heaven. Then, strain out the leaves and use the water to fertilize your mater plants.

I'm working on a companion planting plan. We'll see how that goes! DH's not too keen on following any kind of plan when we plant. Rolling my eyes.

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