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ImageMaryNZ
Mar 4, 2012 10:46 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

There are some silly rules!

Great to see the colour swatches when discussing Dahlia colour, Ted. Even if they are different on our screens, having two gives a very useful comparison.
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
Imagehonnat
Mar 4, 2012 10:59 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
Ted, I had to check out Shogun on your site. That's a nice shade of red! It looks like you've sold out of many varities.

Speaking of red, I was surprised to see that H. Valentino has not sold out. That looks like a nice one. I see in the ADS handbook Shogun and Valentino are both listed as RD24. In your garden, are they the same shade?
Imageedewitt
Mar 4, 2012 11:21 PM CST
Name: Eric DeWitt
Mountainair, NM
teddahlia wrote:Thumb of 2012-03-05/teddahlia/182c98 Red Ballon
Thumb of 2012-03-05/teddahlia/b8e192 Shogun

I sampled the color of Shogun from a picture shot by Claudia Biggs. Shogun has less
green and blue and is a brighter red. Every flower is a bit different and sampling gets different but similar values.
Probably fairly accurate but both are bright red when you see them.

Ah, thanks for the point of reference. Being the huge fan of incurved cactus blooms Shogun made my list of "things I need to grow eventually" when I saw it.
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Imageteddahlia
Mar 5, 2012 11:24 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
honnat wrote:Ted, I had to check out Shogun on your site. That's a nice shade of red! It looks like you've sold out of many varities.

Speaking of red, I was surprised to see that H. Valentino has not sold out. That looks like a nice one. I see in the ADS handbook Shogun and Valentino are both listed as RD24. In your garden, are they the same shade?


I scanned all of the color charts but was disappointed by the scans. I wanted my wife to place the color chart over the screen and color correct the screen to each chip. That would take many hours and if your monitor has different settings or is just a bit different than mine, they would be off. I held the color chip Red 24 over my monitor and changed the color until they matched.

Thumb of 2012-03-05/teddahlia/299193 Red 24 matched to my screen

Thumb of 2012-03-05/teddahlia/ab731d Valentino

Thumb of 2012-03-05/teddahlia/bca544 Shogun
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
Imageteddahlia
Mar 5, 2012 11:34 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Hollyhill Valentino did not sell out because I was able to plant more of it than the others that did sell out. When introducing new ones, you cannot predict which will win medals and which will be more popular but you can make a good guess. I knew that Valentino was outstanding and was able to plant a lot of it. It went on to pass in all seven trial gardens where it was entered(the only dahlia that did that this year) and won the Derrill Hart medal. I did not try to get it passed on the ADS bench but probably should have as it could have done quite well. I was not able to plant as many of Hollyhill Regal as I wanted. Big Red was also sold by Dan's Dahlias and we both sold out quickly because more people buy the the new Giant and Large dahlias than smaller varieties.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageMaryNZ
Mar 5, 2012 12:19 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

Congratulations, Ted, Hollyhill Valentino sounds outstandingly successful!
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
vikingcraftsman
Apr 4, 2012 7:17 PM CST
The only red I still have pictures of is Dapper dad.Thumb of 2012-04-05/vikingcraftsman/9c838d
vikingcraftsman
Apr 5, 2012 10:15 AM CST
Here is one I found I had posted on another forum. This is a shot of my neighbor picking her bouquet. You can tell how big envy is.Thumb of 2012-04-05/vikingcraftsman/4dafaa
vikingcraftsman
Apr 5, 2012 10:19 AM CST
And for contrast here is black satin.Thumb of 2012-04-05/vikingcraftsman/f314e8
vikingcraftsman
Apr 5, 2012 4:41 PM CST
And we also had cornel.Thumb of 2012-04-05/vikingcraftsman/343ba1
Imageteddahlia
May 7, 2012 9:55 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
I got a tuber of Kenora Wildfire. It is an older variety that can produce some really nice red flowers.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
Imagehonnat
May 7, 2012 10:28 AM CST
St. Paul, MN
I have seen Kenora Wildfire at a couple shows here. One of THE brightest reds I've seen. Nice dahlia
Imageteddahlia
Jul 24, 2012 1:41 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
This seedling is what call "true red". Second year seedling that we are definitely keeping.

Thumb of 2012-07-24/teddahlia/46455f
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
Imagehonnat
Jul 24, 2012 2:05 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
That's fantastic! Once you are able to introduce it, I am definitely buying.

Is it minature or pom sized? FD or ball?

Nice job capturing the red color. That is one thing I have not learned how to do. Perhaps I need a better camera.
ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jul 24, 2012 5:31 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
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Speaking of RED, I have 3 buds opening now, one RED (Audrey Grace) and two purple (Mazama and Wortons Blue Streak.) FINALLY FLOWERS!!!!! Hurray!
Imageteddahlia
Jul 24, 2012 6:25 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Red flower is about 3 inches in diameter. It probably will be an M FD R.Thumb of 2012-07-25/teddahlia/ded90e
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
Imagehonnat
Jul 24, 2012 8:43 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
Well that first photo of your seedling is now my desktop background. I don't know why I am such a sucker for red.

Do you have any tips for photographing red? Mine seem to over-saturate or appear to have a pinkish tint to them.
Imageteddahlia
Jul 25, 2012 11:53 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
I took the shot in the morning and that is why it has dew on it. I am using an SLR Pentax KX.
I set the ISO to 800 so that I could shoot without a tripod. I used manual focus because I wanted to focus on the center of the flower. The F stop was F8 and the shutter speed 1/320. The lense was the one that came with the camera and it was at 38mm. The light at that time of the day was very friendly to this red flower.

The second shot was taken in the evening and it was really too dark to take pictures. I set ISO to 1600 and let the camera do the focus and the shutter speed. It chose 1/15th of a second as it was so dark out. It is not well focused and the color is not as good.

Shooting pictures of dahlias is not easy. As you say many colors do not come out right,
Purple is very difficult. Red and dark red very difficult. Yellow confuses cameras and they are usually over exposed. The same for white flowers. Easiest colors to shoot are blends of colors.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
Imagehonnat
Jul 25, 2012 8:07 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
Aside from teaching us all how to grow dahlias; I think you'll improve our photos too. I love taking photos of dahlias; but admit I know nothing about ISO or F stop. I don't have an SLR. Mine is a Canon sx20IS - so it's basically a 'better' point and shoot camera. It does have some manual settings so this will get me doing more research for sure. Thanks!
ImageIslander
Jul 25, 2012 9:09 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Ted, love your new red dahlia! That would be extremely useful to me for my business. I definitely want it! So much fun seeing what the new dahlias will be! I sure am looking forward to visiting your garden during the dahlia show in Portland! Anyone else here going to it?
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