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Imageteddahlia
Jul 25, 2012 10:12 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Your Canon sx20IS has a very nice long lense. One way to take clear dahlia photos is to use that long lense and shoot them from about 6 feet away. If everything works and you can get them in focus, the background will be blurred and the flower will will be clear. Your camera has manual controls and you can set most of what I said by shooting in manual mode. The only drawback is that the manual focus on your camera is a bit hard to use as you are looking at the view finder to focus. On an SLR you are actually looking through the camera lense and can focus quite accurately. I had a Canon G2 and liked it a lot.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
addicted
Jul 26, 2012 9:32 PM CST
Name: Em
NY
Nice flower, Ted. Let us know when it's available...I'd like to order it too. Hurray!
Em in NY
Dahlias -- the gift that keeps on giving!
Imageedewitt
Aug 12, 2012 1:14 PM CST
Name: Eric DeWitt
Mountainair, NM
From the looks of it right now it appears my only seedling I have is going to be a dark-ish red orchid with dark foliage that I harvested from my Verrone's Obsidian seeds. Looking forward to a bloom soon!
ImageIslander
Aug 13, 2012 9:34 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
That sounds like it could be a very nice flower, Edewitt. It could be a standout in a flower border!

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ImageKimC
Jan 26, 2013 9:25 PM CST
Love Sea Cascabel. I've had it for a few years now, and it is RED!

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ImageDahliaGardener
May 8, 2013 3:49 PM CST
Name: Cynthia
BG, KY USDA Zone 6b
Sanity = Dirt under your nails...
I was looking at some red dahlia pictures at Hamilton Dalhia Farm (http://www.hamiltondahliafarm.com/dahlia_photos_by_color/red - first picture, upper left hand corner), and saw that their Ali Oop is lacinated. Mine has never been lacinated, and neither has my gardening lady's. How often is there lacination on Ali Oop?

C DG
All gardening is landscape painting.
- William Kent

ImageCCvacation
May 8, 2013 8:21 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
I bet that's due to Hamilton being in Michigan. The different weather pattern can cause that, I've heard. Chilston's Pride is another that lascinates for us on the East regularly, leaving West Coasters with the boring blunt edges most of the time.

I'll report on my Ali Oop come August, if you remind me!
CC
ImageDahliaGardener
May 8, 2013 8:37 PM CST
Name: Cynthia
BG, KY USDA Zone 6b
Sanity = Dirt under your nails...
Okay. It's a deal; if either one of us can remember, we will talk about Ali Oop's edges in August Hilarious! .

Re: Chilson's Pride; It has similar edges, here, that you see in the picture of Ali Oop. It's just in places like Northern Washington where Noni is, or places that stay cool all the time (maybe like San Francisco) that don't have the cut edges.

Admittedly we don't stay 100* for longer than about 2 or 3 weeks, in the summer, but we do hit 80*, and don't go below that much, in July. I would think that would be enough to have lacy edges, but I don't know.

C DG
All gardening is landscape painting.
- William Kent

ImageRedmondPhyllis
May 8, 2013 10:39 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
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I get some nice lacy edged ones in Seattle, but . . . never grown Ali Oop. Don't recall Chilson's Pride. It may be one of those that's impressive in other people's gardens, but not in mine.
ImageIslander
May 9, 2013 12:13 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
I certainly have never seen lacy edges on Ali Oop, but then I am not certain what I call Ali Oop truly is. Just fit the description best of the nice red I use so much of. It was a survivor of the year I planted a number of smaller red dahlias and thought that fit the description best. I like this one either way though...Plain or fringie, its a very pleasant dahlia. You know, some days when it is really hot I feel a bit fimbriated myself! Rolling on the floor laughing
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ImageIslander
Aug 25, 2013 6:46 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
I think, for me. next years color will be "RED".

What are everyone's most prolific and good red cutting flowers? My Ali Oops did not produce nearly as many this year as last. I do like Verrone's WIll but it blooms then takes a vacation. Kea Lynn is nice but doesn't turn out a lot of them. Kenora Firefighter...lost in the Noids., may show up again...American Beauty, had a noid that is doing quite well now(I was going to dump them).Skywalker is nice but not being real productive, too much shade I think, but should make good stock for next year. I think that Cyril Higgo from Phyllis started the red longings! I am so looking forward to having red waterlilies next year...yes, lots and lots of them! Caproz Jerry Garcia has its first blossom and its a fine one but I Don't think it churns them out in quantity. I need something that gets churned out in quantity that will make my customers gasp and want more of them!

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Imageteddahlia
Aug 25, 2013 8:11 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Do not forget that Dan Pearson's "go to" flower for red is Evening Lady. It sure looks great at his farm. Next year I am going to send Dan about 20 tubers of our new miniature red FD that does not yet have a name. It has been covered with 2.5 inch diameter red formal decorative(customers will say ball) flowers all year so far. The stems are long and stiff and it should have real future as a cut flower( and it may show well too). It will be released in 2015.


We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
Imagehonnat
Aug 25, 2013 9:23 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
I'm liking red this year too. Over the last week, the beetles at the farm have exploded and I am losing about 75% of my lighter color flowers to corn rootworm beetles and Japanese beetles. I'm cutting lots of Brookside Snowball just to be able to shake the bugs into my bucket of soap water easier....anyway....different thread...

My farmers market stand this weekend had lots of red and deeper colored oranges (oh-my Jomanda has been saving the day!) that were not perfect; but much better. While it isn't always called a good cutflower; I really like AC Rooster. It is productive and it has really long strong stems. Mine started out super healthy and now something doesn't look right and I'm getting some orange blooms on them (that look pretty cool; but not "right")

Mingus Kyle D is shaping up to be a nice healthy dark red formal. I really wish I would have taken a photo of my first "JS Prism" bloom. Wow, I was really impressed. I'm only growing one plant this year; and it's too early to tell if it will be really productive; but it sure was a well formed nice bloom to kick things off.

I've always got Tahoma Vivian (M-FD-FL) in my bucket whenever I cut for anything. My only issue is that is has green centers often; but in your climate - it might do much better. It has long straight stems. You can plant them close together because they grow straight up rather than out.

ImageDahliaGardener
Aug 25, 2013 9:56 PM CST
Name: Cynthia
BG, KY USDA Zone 6b
Sanity = Dirt under your nails...
Arabian Night did well for me most of the season until we got really hot and the blooms started to wither. I think if it had enough 'food' through the season it would have been a stellar performer all the way along.

Most of my other reds have been so-so this year, and I have a lot of them. I am looking forward to seeing what I can do with them next year.

C DG
All gardening is landscape painting.
- William Kent

ImageIslander
Aug 25, 2013 11:31 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Ted, good to know about Evening Lady...I have her on my list! Found my AC ROoster among my noids, growing in too much shade, but at least i have it and hope, and it doesn't look virused and I hope it is making tubers. Its been rather orange in the shade. Oh yes, loved Belred sunset, but they have started being open centered on the second round. Hope it is just a weather thing. The shape and color are so pretty!

Ted, Love my HH Red Buttons, and Santa Baby. I made a really cute arrangement with them and and some tiny red roses at the market. I think I will grow several plants of each next year. So your new red FD is bigger then Red Buttons? I think I might have seen it at the Kitsap show...did you have it there? I didn't have red Buttons nearby to compare it with. Your HH Red Buttons and Santa Baby are WONDERFUL cut flowers...I recommend them to all the rest of you that don't have them! I have a Red Buttons tucked into my red and white garden and I was surpised to see how tall it was there among the roses! Its just really starting to shine now. I think that one will get mulched and left in place over winter.

So how about some large or interesting shape red BB-B sized flowers...something that is not just a circle of pretty color? But that also has good substance and stems and produces a lot. How would HH Red Spider do? How prolific are the flowers?

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Imageteddahlia
Aug 25, 2013 11:50 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Hollyhill Red Spider is an excellent designer's flower and looks great in a bouquet. But it is an average flower maker, not a cut flower machine like you flower sellers would like. I looked through the red color "Cubit" and noticed that I posted a couple of pictures of the unnamed red one that will be great cut flower. I did enter a triple entry of it at the Kitsap show and it won a blue ribbon. Not bad for a cut flower. The size is a bit bigger than Hollyhill Red Button.

People who do not sell cut flowers have no idea how hard it is to find cut flowers in the right colors. Pure colors are all hard. There will never be enough purple flowers for instance. When people "special order" flowers, they usually ask for specific colors. Those purple flower weddings are very popular. The customers do not seem to understand that the blended colors are great too.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageIslander
Aug 26, 2013 9:57 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Darn! But I think I Might have to have Red Spider anyhow. Big Grin And I look forward to having your delicious red cutting flower. Maybe its name should be "Rudolphs Nose"? Rolling on the floor laughing
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Imageteddahlia
Aug 26, 2013 11:29 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Clever name.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageIslander
Aug 26, 2013 1:26 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Logical progression from Santa Baby and Red Buttons Thumbs up
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ImageIslander
Aug 26, 2013 1:27 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Darn! But I think I Might have to have Red Spider anyhow. Big Grin And I look forward to having your delicious red cutting flower. Maybe its name should be "Rudolphs Nose"? Rolling on the floor laughing
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