Discussion of Colors, Forms or Varieties forum: Dahlia Form of the Week - "Incurved Cactus" - November 14th, 2012

 
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Imageedewitt
Nov 14, 2012 8:55 PM CST
Name: Eric DeWitt
Mountainair, NM
Incurved cactus dahlias add a great bit of flare to your garden. My first incurved cactus dahlia was "Star's Favorite" which i grew my first year of gardening and I was quite taken with the form. I've been keen to grow it since then and have been adding all the new cultivars I find each year. I wish I had more to add to this post but I'm limited to what I know and that isn't much. If you have more to add please feel free to it and your favorite incurved cactus dahlia releases.

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Imagehonnat
Nov 14, 2012 10:53 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
Here are some offerings to the incurved thread

AC Young - a really nice flower with long slender petals. You can see in the photo a bit that the leaves began to look a little gnarly by the end of the season. Just to be safe, I tossed by stock and am going to buy again this year. Not sure what happened. The flowers stayed looking great and form kept improving with each opened flower.
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Verrone's Irvin R - nice vigorous red dahlia. One of the many that Verrone "introduced" last year. Most are not in the ADS book as he didn't send them to the trial gardens, or enter them in shows for seedling bench scores. We'll see if /where this one ends up classified next year. I didn't get any blooms to show; but I was happy with it.

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ImageIslander
Nov 15, 2012 12:19 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
I am wild to try Snoho Storm this year after seeing it at the garden shows. I have not been into cactus types much but this one reached out and grabbed me! I could see a swirling snow storm just looking at it! I ordered it from Cowlitz River dahlia for next year.

When I was showing my youngest daughter though the Show in Portland just as they were packing up, I was showing her this one and the gentleman who had won ribbons for it, offered it to me! I was so delighted! It was a little worse for wear but I made it into a bouquet with a couple of others I was given by exhibitors, and set it on my son's fireplace mantle and enjoyed it until time for us to go home.
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Thumb of 2012-11-15/Islander/b1b1ad I want these two smaller Incurved cactuses this year and have them ordered...Crazy for Jessie and, Last, Shea's Rainbow
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ImageMaryNZ
Nov 15, 2012 4:06 AM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

My Tsuki Yori No Shisha is looking quite incurved, but the first bloom has an open centre and is not very photogenic! I only have a bud, not really showing its curves yet, in my Flickr pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mary_on_flickr/8163258023/
It's dark and raining outside, so you'll have to imagine what it looks like now.
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
Imagetgarland
Nov 15, 2012 8:52 AM CST
Name: Tim Garland
Boise, Idaho
Here are a couple I grew.

Thumb of 2012-11-15/tgarland/8a63c4 windhaven highlight, large plants, great color.
Thumb of 2012-11-15/tgarland/5f0640 Crazy Ivan, Lots of blooms
Imageteddahlia
Nov 15, 2012 11:48 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Too many incurved cactus types to list them all. This is Margaret's favorite form. Here is one that is available "down under" and in the USA:

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Christie Dancer BB IC Red It is one of the most finely quilled ICs and looks exotic in a bouquet. Makes lots of tubers too.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageMaryNZ
Nov 15, 2012 11:56 AM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

That's pretty. I think it may be in Australia rather than here in New Zealand. They have some nice ones. I am told there is no hope of importing directly from Australia at present, but that they can export to North America and Europe, and we can import from there.

These are in Australia. Very nice incurves: http://www.dahliasaustralia.org.au/gallerycultivars/#/?album...

My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
ImageIslander
Nov 15, 2012 4:03 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Mary, I like that Mauve Cricket!

How much does it cost to import a dahlia from the US? Can you then sell off the tubers it produces to other NZ gardeners and make your money back?

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ImageMaryNZ
Nov 15, 2012 11:34 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

I like Mauve Cricket, too!

It would probably cost me $80-160 for phytosanitary certificate and shipping on top of my order, depending on the exchange rate at the time. I'd have to persuade someone in the US to import it, grow it for a season or two, get a phytosanitary certificate and sell it to me. That may not be impossible, of course, but it's a tricky way to go shopping, that's for sure!

Maybe Margaret at Hollyhill will take a liking to Mauve Cricket as something she wants to breed from, Ted? Then if it spreads through the US market to someone who actually exports....

But that is just one. I like Hillier Tanunda at http://www.dahliasaustralia.org.au/gallerycultivars/#/?album...
Aitara Success, Nationwide and Downs Hazel at http://www.dahliasaustralia.org.au/gallery/#/?album=18&page=...
Aiden Rocket and Formby Queen at http://www.dahliasaustralia.org.au/gallerycultivars/#/?album...
And all those lovely swept back Brackens at http://onslowandmissb.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/queensland-dahl...

I don't even have a tame Aussie Dahliaphile to grow them on behalf and post lots of lovely photos for me to enjoy from afar. Clearly, trans-Tasman relationships in the Dahlia world have a long way to go. I blame both governments, naturally!

Oh yes... incurves...

I have Alfred Grille this year. It looks a bit stunted so far. It may be a Dahlia that moves on and makes room for others.
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
ImageIslander
Nov 16, 2012 9:39 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
That would be quite an investment for one dahlia. Could you do a group of them for less or would it still be this price for each one? You need some dahlia buddies in Australia!

I was looking at the growing info on Corralitos Gardens site last night...sure glad we don't have all those bugs and diseases here! Some, but it looks like cooler gardens do have some advantages. Good to remember when waiting for that last bud to open! (Or the first one).





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Imageteddahlia
Nov 16, 2012 11:43 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
I asked Margaret about her favorite incurved dahlias. Of course she is partial to the ones we have bred along with a few others. She likes Hollyhill Margarita, Hollyhill Augustina, Hollyhill Red Spider, Hollyhill Renoir, Hollyhill Shogun and of course our exotic Hollyhill Lavender Blu. She does like Hollyhill Cotton Candy and it and Margarita went head to head in the trial gardens a few years ago. Margarita had higher scores in two gardens but it failed to pass in one garden and did not get the three scores needed for a medal. Cotton Candy won the medal. She said we should have sent Margarita to more trial gardens as we did with Cotton Candy.

Snoho Storm and Sarah Mae are two other favorites.
She is very excited about the 2012 seedling that is a cross of Margarita and and another Hollyhill IC. It has and outstanding magenta red color and is either a small "A" sized flower or a large "B".
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We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageMaryNZ
Nov 16, 2012 12:21 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

Noni, just one phytosanitary certificate for one supplier. One of the overseas suppliers I have emailed uses a shipping system where charges go up in 2 kilogram blocks. He thinks he can get 30-40 tubers into a 2 kg package. So if the exchange rate is good and the tubers are small, it may be only $2 extra per tuber.

Some places need more inspections than others to get a phytosanitary certificate to ship here, which would cost more, and some just can't ship here at all because their region has pests and diseases we do not want.

My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
ImageMaryNZ
Nov 16, 2012 12:25 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

Ted, that one is a lovely colour.
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
ImageIslander
Nov 16, 2012 5:12 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Thanks, Mary. That is interesting. I just like to know things. But not so bad if you could share an order with others and split the cost. A bunch of us amaryllis lovers did that with some from Australia but then found they were pretty virused. So It doesn't work so well in this direction. They were sure pretty though! (Until we started seeing the virus symptoms).
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ImageMaryNZ
Nov 16, 2012 5:40 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

That would take the fun out of it!
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
Imagehonnat
Nov 16, 2012 10:48 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
I splurged for this one from Les&Viv.

Bloomquist Amethyst
http://www.dahliasbylesandviv.com/13catalogimages/bloomquist...
ImageMaryNZ
Nov 17, 2012 12:38 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

Nice shape, Honnat. I wonder why the Amethyst in the name? I was expecting a lavender.

Ted, if you only send to three trial gardens, and you could have sent to others, can you send to others later? We only have two trial gardens in the whole country, so it is a bit different here!
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
Imageteddahlia
Nov 17, 2012 1:32 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
There are currently 7 trial gardens. The three highest scores are averaged and the highest average score wins in each of several categories. A flower needs to pass in at least 3 trial gardens to be eligible for a medal.

There are limitations on the number of entries at most trial gardens. If you have four varieties to enter in trial gardens, it is not possible to enter all four in all of the gardens. Most gardens limit you to 2 or 3 entries. However, one garden allows any number to an experienced breeder. You can enter a variety with the caveat that you will not introduce the flower until the following year and then enter it again the next year in other gardens. Hardly anyone does this.

We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageMaryNZ
Nov 17, 2012 1:57 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

I guess that makes it hard to decide how many seedlings to enter some years. The best medal chances would seem to come from just entering two per season and sending them to all seven trial gardens, but if you have more great seedlings, it would seem a pity not to send them.
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/
ImageMaryNZ
Nov 30, 2012 10:58 AM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

*Stage Whisper* Your weeks seem long in my time zone!
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
I also spend time in FB Dahlia groups at http://www.facebook.com/groups/363854624030/ and http://www.facebook.com/groups/dahlias/

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