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ImageClearCreekDahlias
Dec 5, 2014 7:18 PM CST
Western New York State
Dahlias! Dahlias! Dahlias!
I had extras. They needed a good home. Big Grin
ImageClearCreekDahlias
Dec 5, 2014 7:30 PM CST
Western New York State
Dahlias! Dahlias! Dahlias!
Santa Claus
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Facebook page photo

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Santa Claus in late fall.

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I know I have some more photos kicking around somewhere.
ImageClearCreekDahlias
Dec 5, 2014 7:45 PM CST
Western New York State
Dahlias! Dahlias! Dahlias!
More red and white dahlias.

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Frigoulet and Gerry Scott


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AC Fancy


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Contraste

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Duie du Roi Albert

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Red Empire

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Red Empire

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Yoro Kobi

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Duet

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Frigoulet
ImageIslander
Dec 5, 2014 9:19 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Hy Bloodfire...yes, the photo is a good rendition of it. It is deep and intense with dark leaves. I bought it from Ferncliff last year but it is not in this year's catalog. Can't find anything on the web except that it comes from Ferncliff. I planted it in one of the areas where they ended up outgrowing their spaces and intermeshing so I did not pay much attention until a florist asked me for "Intense, passionate dark colors" for an autumn wedding. I am not positive whether it is a bb or B. I plan to grow it next year and will give it more room. It was intermingled with Hy Sockeye and Caproz Jerry Garcia so I didn't have to go far to fill my bucket for her!
Salish Dahlias
Imageteddahlia
Dec 5, 2014 11:51 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Wayne Holland named his originations "Hy". He released them through Ferncliff Dahlias. Wayne stopped breeding dahlias about 5 years ago and moved further East in Canada where dahlias do not grow well. I believe he is into grapes now. He was a professional plant breeder. He worked with Wayne Shantz to develop some purple dahlias and Shantz came up with Esmerelda and then quit breeding. Esmerelda unfortunately is not a real blue purple but is definitely purple. Blue purple is very hard to get even when a professional breeder is working on it. And remember that Gordon Leroux of Kenora Dahlias worked for the last five or so years of his life to get a large purple dahlia to name after his wife. He had Parkinsons and grew 2600 seedlings the last year and never was able to get that large purple dahlia that would have been named Kenora Jeannie. So I hope that people appreciate the purple dahlias that we do have and realize how hard they were to breed.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageCCvacation
Dec 6, 2014 2:37 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
Anyone try growing 'Hello There?' I seem to remember discussing this one a while back, and think there were either issues with tuber making, or the plant needed babying...

HELLO THERE! B SC BI DR/W Beautiful dark red with white tips. Great stems for cutting, and a favorite with garden visitors. 4'


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ImageClearCreekDahlias
Dec 6, 2014 8:21 PM CST
Western New York State
Dahlias! Dahlias! Dahlias!
I have a picture of Hello There grown this year. It was a magnificent flower, and an iffy tuber producer. I'll post the photo when I find it.

In the meantime:
Sandia Warbonnet. Another gorgeous red and white dahlia.
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ImageIslander
Dec 6, 2014 9:14 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
WOoooa,Your Sandia Warbonnet sure did better then mine! MIne made only a few flowers and they were kind of washed out...probably another that got crowded by its neighbor. I did get a couple of tubers so I can try it again...nice to see how well yours did! I know it was beautiful at the test garden the year before. YOu just gave me hope for a beautiful few blooms next year! Do you remember how tall yours grew? I think my plant was shorter then its neighbors which was part of its problem.Thumb of 2014-12-07/Islander/42cbae THis was the first and about the only flower on it. It did get a bit better as it bloomed but still kind of faded even after the petals curled more.
Salish Dahlias
Imagedrewtheflorist
Dec 7, 2014 8:31 AM CST
Name: Drew the Florist
14 miles S E of Pittsburgh
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I grew Sandia Apache this year, wasn't crazy about it. It leaned a little toward the salmon shade
of red .
ImageClearCreekDahlias
Dec 7, 2014 8:46 AM CST
Western New York State
Dahlias! Dahlias! Dahlias!
Noni, are you sure that was Sandia Warbonnet? The form and color aren't even close. I would send that photo to whoever you got it from and ask for another. As I remember they weren't cheap.
ImageIslander
Dec 7, 2014 9:54 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Yes, I got it direct from The Boleys. It did show better form on the later few blooms but it never was strong. However, I think it was my fault for the way I planted it...It did not have the deep bright red I saw at the test garden. Hmmm just sent off my Birch Bay order yesterday. I think I will look and see if I have a better shot of it and contact them before they run out. GOod Idea, CC. I will at least think this over today.
Salish Dahlias
Imageteddahlia
Dec 7, 2014 10:00 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Red and white bi color is another color scheme that people sseem to love and will put up with rather poor form because of their love for the color. We have been growing a very nice "B" sized bi color R/W that makes lots of tubers for several years now. Each year when we evaluate it we always say: It sure has nice colors but the show people would not like the form. It is an ID type flower. We have been digging a few clumps and carrying it forward now for 4 years . One thing about it is that is has very good vigor and is easy to grow. Thumb of 2014-12-07/teddahlia/b15849
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
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Imagetodgor
Dec 7, 2014 1:00 PM CST
Name: Tod Gordon
West Caldwell, NJ
teddahlia wrote:And remember that Gordon Leroux of Kenora Dahlias worked for the last five or so years of his life to get a large purple dahlia to name after his wife. He had Parkinsons and grew 2600 seedlings the last year and never was able to get that large purple dahlia that would have been named Kenora Jeannie. So I hope that people appreciate the purple dahlias that we do have and realize how hard they were to breed.


I saw that Teresa at Cowlitz has one (BB SC LB PK/Y) of this name and she says:

"Jeannie Leroux wanted a purple giant dahlia named for her. Unfortunately, there was none of these in Gordie's remaining seedlings when he passed. This is the last of his seedlings that I feel can compete and wanted to be sure there was one of his named for her. Lovely mauve pink."

BTW, I would definite buy the red/white B above!


ImageIslander
Dec 7, 2014 1:13 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
I think I should test that one as a cut flower for you, Ted Big Grin
Salish Dahlias
ImageIslander
Dec 7, 2014 1:16 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
About my picture above...I think that may be Sandia Candycorn instead of Sandia Warbonnet. The photos were taken with Warbonnet's neighbors on either side of the roll, but it sure looks like the Sandia Candycorn's first blooms, all the way across the garden!
Salish Dahlias
ImageClearCreekDahlias
Dec 7, 2014 7:55 PM CST
Western New York State
Dahlias! Dahlias! Dahlias!
I would also grow that red and white flower for cut! How much? You can add it to my order! Thumbs up
ImageCCvacation
Dec 7, 2014 8:48 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
CC
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ImageIslander
Dec 8, 2014 12:42 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
OK< I found1 fairly good Sandia Warbonnet Pic by going through ALL Of my 5000 from this season Rolling my eyes. THis is as good as it got for me but they were about the only good one...as I said, lots more space to be alotted to it next season.Thumb of 2014-12-08/Islander/978d5c . I am sure it can do better then this because I saw it doing it at the test garden in 2013.The red was intense and it just sparkled there!


Salish Dahlias
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ImageCCvacation
Dec 9, 2014 8:18 AM CST
Name: CC
PA
I wonder, other then more space, what the cultivation difference was that caused such a big variation in results.
CC
ImageCCvacation
Dec 9, 2014 8:20 AM CST
Name: CC
PA
Wondering what the difference is in growth and tubers between Felida Stars & Stripes and Hilltop Stella. They show the same height, and similar flowers.
CC

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