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ImageCCvacation
Dec 9, 2018 8:40 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
Bring your unknowns here, and we will do our best. Out of the 4000 named varieties still in commerce, those of us in this community have grown a fair share of them

For new growers, please understand that dutch varieties tend to NOT always have names, as they are lumped as 'dinnerplates' for a quick sale in supermarkets and big box stores.
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ImageCCvacation
Dec 9, 2018 8:49 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
I have a quandary.. I've been growing stock purchased as 'Hillcrest Glow' for a couple years, but somehow started calling it 'Hilltop Glo.' When I researched the name to figure out if the 'w' belongs at the end of the 'Glo,' I discovered the potential mistake... except growers are selling what looks like the same variety by BOTH names!

Hilltop Glo- Small Formal Decorative Light Blend
Hillcrest Glow- Small Formal Decorative Pink


Anyone know what this truly is?

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This was taken years ago up in MI at Dahlia Hill...
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Check out these two vendors...
https://shop.dansdahlias.com/searchquick-submit.sc?keywords=...
http://www.connells-dahlias.com/page8.php?view=productPage&p...
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Imageblown_dry
Dec 9, 2018 9:35 PM CST
Name: Amanda
CA Redwood Coast - Zone 9b
DahliaAddict.com
It looks like it's Hilltop Glo. It won a medal and everything.
https://www.dahlia.org/cgi-bin/guide/dahlia.cgi?HILLTOP GLO
The name Hillcrest Glow has a few listings at suppliers, but that's it as far as corroborating data.

Anyone familiar with this one? A supplier listed it as a no-name.

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Imagemelissamaeday
Dec 9, 2018 9:44 PM CST
Name: Melissa
Omaha,NE
I think honnat had this same quandry last year? I believe k Connell helped solve it.

These are my no IDs: first one is still listed as raspberry punch at tall grass. My florist friend loves it, but it is NOT Raspberry punch. The other one is definitely not “lights out”.

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ImageDarcyD
Dec 9, 2018 9:56 PM CST
Name: Darcy D
Green Oaks, Illinois
blown_dry wrote:It looks like it's Hilltop Glo. It won a medal and everything.
https://www.dahlia.org/cgi-bin/guide/dahlia.cgi?HILLTOP GLO
The name Hillcrest Glow has a few listings at suppliers, but that's it as far as corroborating data.

Anyone familiar with this one? A supplier listed it as a no-name.

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Could it be Mikayla Miranda?
Imagehonnat
Dec 9, 2018 10:01 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
I believe I emailed K Connel and he said it should be Hilltop. A year later, he's still selling it as Hillcrest. Shrug!
Imageblown_dry
Dec 9, 2018 10:10 PM CST
Name: Amanda
CA Redwood Coast - Zone 9b
DahliaAddict.com
Good one! The Summer Dreams one though, the petals seem pretty regular. Mikayla Miranda has a ruffled look. I also found one called Victoria Ann that's same size and color, but Victoria Ann has a picotee edge and the petals curl down rather than up, like it has cactus tendencies. Confused
ImageCCvacation
Dec 9, 2018 10:30 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
melissamaeday wrote:
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looks like Karma Choc, down to those annoying green bracts.
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ImageCCvacation
Dec 9, 2018 10:36 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
honnat wrote:I believe I emailed K Connel and he said it should be Hilltop. A year later, he's still selling it as Hillcrest. Shrug!


I'm leaning toward Hilltop just because Kevin sells it as 'Hilltop Glo,' and he's pretty on the ball. With your comment, Honnat, I'll definitely keep my current ID, and change that one irritatingly wrong name on an early image of it. Nothing like a seed of doubt to throw everything off...

Thanks, folks!
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ImageCCvacation
Dec 10, 2018 12:40 AM CST
Name: CC
PA
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I really don't think the above pict is Hilltop Mimi, as I have labeled on the image. All of those plants were well-marked and checked with blooms to the markers, but this image was taken mid-season, and I don't have a planting diagram this year to check potential neighbor's names. The newer releases were around there, including the AC stars.

Here's HT Mimi, for comparisons sake. Maybe it is, after all...

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Country Superstar, maybe? That one can look VERY different through the season. Here's Country Superstar from 2017 season, for comparisons sake.
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Hmmm... I think I solved my own mystery, as I was writing this! Hilarious! That's the problem with assuming IDs when taking picts. Shrug!
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Imageteddahlia
Dec 10, 2018 11:08 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
I have told the story of a main line breeder that had an unknown variety and asked people for many years what it was. He asked me and of course, I had no idea either. He said in that case, I am just going to name and start selling it. I doubt he actually did as health problems came up the next year and he died soon after that.
“Flowers are like friends; They bring color to your world.” – Unknown
Imageteddahlia
Dec 10, 2018 11:57 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Keeping seedlings identified can be a real problem. Seedling number 16-67 was assigned to two separate seedlings in error. Both were dug and planted the next year. One was a tricolor miniature that is very nice. The other is BB ID in light yellow also somewhat nice. I have dug both versions and labeled them properly. I must have been dizzy on that day and assigned 16-66 to two different seedlings also. I think it has been straightened out and one is a cute little purple cut flower and I believe the other is a red BB ID of lesser quality. The point of this is that it is really easy to lose track of what is what unless you are very careful.
“Flowers are like friends; They bring color to your world.” – Unknown
ImageCCvacation
Dec 10, 2018 12:16 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
WAY too easy, that is for sure! I bet it is doubly so when you are dealing with just numbers to correspond with seedlings. A number tends not to remind you what a bloom looks likel

Luckily, the tubers are all labeled correctly in my most recent post... just got confused when naming the variety in the image without checking the tag. Whew. Easy fix, there! I remember the first year I was rinsing/dividing tubers, and letting them dry on a tray before marking their names. The phone rang, the tray leapt in the air and two varieties came raining down on me without labels. I figured it out by lightly scratching the skin and seeing what pigment showed up... one variety was a red, so that method worked very well.

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ImageDarcyD
Jul 19, 2019 6:14 PM CST
Name: Darcy D
Green Oaks, Illinois
Does this one look familiar to anyone?
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edit...wow, that color looks very....muted on here. Hmmm If anyone has facebook...look at my cover photo for the actual color: Darcy Dawson

Try this:

http://i65.tinypic.com/11760yv.jpg



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Imagemelissamaeday
Jul 20, 2019 12:54 PM CST
Name: Melissa
Omaha,NE
Hmmm, it looks kind of like Vrouwe Jacoba, but I don't think anyone was offering it for sale this year. I have a tuber of it planted, so will check when it blooms again.
ImageDarcyD
Jul 20, 2019 1:32 PM CST
Name: Darcy D
Green Oaks, Illinois
Thanks Melissa! It does look similar.
Imagemelissamaeday
Jul 21, 2019 2:07 PM CST
Name: Melissa
Omaha,NE
Hey Darcy! Here is a pic of my “Vrouwe Jacoba”.
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How big are the blooms? VJ is about 3-4 inches across, and more coral than this cloudy pic shows. I’m not convinced, but am still keeping an eye out (I get SO frustrated with mislabels).
ImageDarcyD
Jul 21, 2019 7:06 PM CST
Name: Darcy D
Green Oaks, Illinois
Thanks Melissa. These blooms are about the same. 4-5 inches. I don’t think mine is this one looking at the pic. I appreciate your coming back to it and posting a pic. Click on the link I added. You can see the actual color.
ImageIslander
Jul 23, 2019 7:51 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Vashon Island, Washington
growing and selling organic cutflow
If that is the one Darcy got from me it is definitely not Vrouwe Jacoba because I never had that one. I looked through my old records and could not find a name for it...sorry, Darcy.
ImageDarcyD
Jul 24, 2019 6:24 PM CST
Name: Darcy D
Green Oaks, Illinois
Darn. It’a ok Noni.

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