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ImageCCvacation
Jan 10, 2019 2:29 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
This is a great place to put down our daily dahlia trials and tribulations, to be a bit silly, and a perfect place to get to know each other's gardens.

Let's be sure to put questions and insights into the appropriate subject threads so that future folks (or us trying to find it later) can be assisted by our discussions.
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Last year's 'General Dahlia Chat' can be found here: https:/cubits.org/Dahlias/thread/view/86976/
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Imagetodgor
Jan 10, 2019 4:09 PM CST
Name: Tod Gordon
West Caldwell, NJ
I had to laugh at the ad I received selling the Spartacus derived varieties as "Beach Ball dahlias". Ha!
Imageblown_dry
Jan 10, 2019 5:19 PM CST
Name: Amanda
CA Redwood Coast - Zone 9b
DahliaAddict.com
Hee! I think I saw that one, too.
Imageblown_dry
Jan 12, 2019 8:08 PM CST
Name: Amanda
CA Redwood Coast - Zone 9b
DahliaAddict.com
The boys and I replaced my three oldest raised beds this week. The new beds are a bit larger, increasing my official capacity by six plants. Woo hoo! Every little bit helps. Not really looking forward to plumbing them, but so it goes. The drip line is a game-changer, it just requires a little upfront time investment.

I'll have to take some pics.
Imagemelissamaeday
Jan 12, 2019 10:43 PM CST
Name: Melissa
Omaha,NE
I purchased a "Dahlias of Today" magazine on eBay for a few bucks. It is from 2013, but still, what a gold mine of information (and also reading I adore during these blah Winter months).
ImageIslander
Jan 13, 2019 11:26 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Vashon Island, Washington
growing and selling organic cutflow
I totally agree Melissa! I like to keep an older copy or two in my car to read for when I have to wait around for someone...
ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jan 14, 2019 3:31 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
Deer are beautiful if they don't e
So...we spent most of the weekend on our new property. We learned a few things:

We have serious wildlife. A huge deer.. .perhaps an elk stopped slowly in front of our car on our very dark street and strolled across the street in front of the car. Neighbors told us that we have a pack of coyotes that run at the creek at our west border. Also, birds in profusion. I dont worry about birds or coyotes, but the deer? Electric fencing around dahlias?
Better answer?

Water: our community well has lots of water. We pay a share of pump upkeep, nothing by volume. During summer, one can take water from the river to water property.

ImageIslander
Jan 14, 2019 4:47 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Vashon Island, Washington
growing and selling organic cutflow
About deer...
The best thing I have found is "Critter Fence's" deer netting. Google it on the web. I feel that it is quite attractive when set up..it pretty much just disappears visually because it is black and fine. Part of the way it works is that the deer don't see it well so it is harder for them to avoid it and they become cautious around it. It is easy to set into place, also. One hammers in a "Sleeve" into the ground, then the fiberglass post just pops into the sleeve to hold it. I bought mine with enough to lay out a narrow "apron" that is on the outside and stapled down, and discourages diggers under it.

I think you are building from bare ground aren't you, rather then buying a pre-landscaped home? I would create a deer fenced garden, with an open garden to the street side that is planted in plants the deer will either leave alone or that can recover easily from their picnics..maybe some native plants? (Deer do eat Hydrangeas around here!) That way you will be become more aware of closing the gate as you go into and out of the flower garden but public access for visitors.

As to the height of the deer fence...Mine is just over 6' but there is a road and bank along 2 sides , and other garden on the 3rd side so the deer don't come at it at top speed. If your deer can leap long distances into it I don;t know the solution..Maye your neighbors have one figured out. The 4th side on mine is a chicken yard where the deer also can not get air born easily. If your place is more accessible to long leaps of deer, use rebar attached to the fence posts to extend them and run lines of wire above the fencing as tall as necessary. Well, that is my best shot, and what works for me...I hope it helps! I don't think anything works without a barrier fence, and yes deer do eat dahlias here as well as anything else they can get at... and it all gets worse about the time everything is in full bloom.
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abecedarian
Jan 14, 2019 5:13 PM CST
Name: Pati
KS
We've been using battery operated motion sensor alarms to protect the apple trees from the deer. There were times before that when you went out in the morning a quarter of the ripening apples would be gone! They can be set to either chime or have a siren. The nice thing about them is that they reset themselves after a certain amount of time. It only took a few times before the deer avoided the area completely. They also are good at scaring the heck out of people driving close by! (The trees are by the driveway.)
ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jan 14, 2019 6:05 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
Deer are beautiful if they don't e
Good possibilities! Thank you!
ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jan 14, 2019 6:45 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
Deer are beautiful if they don't e
There is little in landscaping of the 1.25 acres. I dont plan to raise that many, particularly the first year. Is lavender native here, or does it just grow well in Sequim? Have to find out.
ImageIslander
Jan 14, 2019 7:28 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Vashon Island, Washington
growing and selling organic cutflow
I am pretty sure it just grows well in Sequim...not native.
ImageDillyDahlia
Jan 14, 2019 7:29 PM CST
Name: TJ
NY Zone 6a
Flower Power!
Phyllis, Wishing you a wonderful new phase in life. May your new garden be filled with an abundance of flowers, bees and butterflies.
ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jan 14, 2019 7:35 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
Deer are beautiful if they don't e
Thank you TJ!
Imagemelissamaeday
Jan 16, 2019 12:10 AM CST
Name: Melissa
Omaha,NE
Though I really don't need to be purchasing any more tubers, I still peruse the dahlia vendors offerings. I giggled for a long while at a new one I found at Old House Dahlias- "Jungle Man". Says that it is a sport of Hollyhill Tempest...

Question if anyone knows or has time to answer! I viewed like all of Colin Walker's fantastic photos on the ADS FB page. Drooling

Some that particularly caught my eye were Kung Fu Kitty (this could be the ugliest blown center dahlia ever, and I'd probably buy it based on name alone), Sungate's Danger and Sungate's Janet, Tahoma Pixie and Tahoma Rascal, Narrows Minded, Dream Chaser, and Allen's Angel Eyes.

Are these ones that might be introduced in the next couple of years, or just secret dahlia breeders hiding their gems to bring to dahlia shows?


ImageDarcyD
Jan 16, 2019 8:58 AM CST
Name: Darcy D
Green Oaks, Illinois
Melissa...that is so weird. I am literally looking at his albums now on Flicker. Not sure how I ended up there...but can't leave. Interesting to see those that were in trial gardens years ago.

I'm lusting over OBO Katie...WOW! I love Clifton Sharai too: https://www.flickr.com/photos/ceepdublu/12282881256/in/album...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ceepdublu/albums/7215764043879...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ceepdublu/albums/7215763258764...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ceepdublu/albums/7215762830172...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ceepdublu/albums/7215762458802...
Imageteddahlia
Jan 16, 2019 9:31 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
I grew Sungate's Janet last year and even dug the tubers but have no memory of it and have no picture. I will throw the tubers into the ground this year to give it a better chance to impress me. Eric Anderson breeds Sungate flowers. Of course Allen's dahlias are by Allen Manual who got a medal for his Allens Arctic Fox that I am growing in 2019 and have several tubers of it to try as it is WHITE. Allen is a prolific breeder and quite often tests varieties on the show bench that end up not being introduced. I got a red one from him too and if it turns out to be as nice as it was on the show bench and since he says it is a 6 footer, I am looking forward to growing it for red arrangements. Show flower it is not but who cares really? .

The word "gems" may be an exaggeration and these flowers are mostly the ones that were shown on the ADS bench and Colin Walker took their picture. Since most people on this site are not interested in show flowers, there could be some hidden gems in these wannabe show flowers. For example Bloomquist Tory P. was not a show winner but it has become a cult flower for cut flower growers. I still remember mentioning that to Bob Bloomquist who had tough time remembering the flower. And of course, all of the breeders have tossed out bazillions of of the seedlings that cut flower growers would want and I am especially guilty of that transgression. Margaret and I are trying harder in this area. But I still say breeding good cut flowers is harder than breeding show flowers for many reasons. One of which is that there is no trial garden for them and in order for it to be recognized as a good new cut flower, a cut flower person needs to see the bloom. Show flower people are almost embarrassed to admit they have bred a cut flower. Gordon Leroux of Kenora, used the moniker Keewatin to name his cut flowers. Dick Ambrose used Camano for the show ones and "Island" for the others.
“Flowers are like friends; They bring color to your world.” – Unknown
Imageteddahlia
Jan 16, 2019 9:43 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Colin Walker is an avid photographer who had a high end Nikon camera when I had a toy camera in comparison. He has been known to rent a really high end camera and lenses to do photo shoots.
He taught a class on shooting dahlias that I attended. You could say he is an old fashioned photographer as he yearns to get everything right before he shoots the picture and then does less post picture processing. These days the more common method is to shoot lots and lots of pictures with different settings and to toss out most of the pictures. He could have been a photographer at the turn of the century when taking 3 or 4 pictures took all day.
“Flowers are like friends; They bring color to your world.” – Unknown
ImageIslander
Jan 16, 2019 11:11 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Vashon Island, Washington
growing and selling organic cutflow
Looking at Colin's photos sure brought back a lot of happy days working at the test garden! I think these were the year before I started volunteering there...my flower partner really liked AC Crazy Train and I bought her a tuber the next Christmas when It came out. She is still growing it and has sold so many from her flower stand that no one wants it anymore, LOL. Customers do like novelty.

One thing I have learned...if you like something from the test garden buy it the next year when it becomes available. A lot of them won't be for sale again, particularly the Connell ones. I saw several in those photos I wish I had known to buy at the time!
Imagesylviap
Jan 16, 2019 1:51 PM CST
Name: Sylvia
West Sacramento, CA Zone 9b
I know someone posted about Red Hawk opening/not opening this year but I can't find the post. Is there a way to find an old post by searching? Does anyone remember what was posted about Red Hawk? They are not listed on Dahliaaddict anymore. Thanks.

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