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AlohaHoya
Apr 8, 2011 11:24 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
I have noticed that there are a number of 'new to hoya' growers, and thought I would make some suggestions:

There's a lot of information out there on growing tropical houseplants...and also information about the 'parts' of plants and their names. There is excellent information here on HonH ... and you all might read everything you can re: how plants grow, how epiphytes grow, names of the parts of plants etc. With this information in hand (head?) you will be way ahead in understanding identifications and growing problems - helpful when seeing a hoya for sale and knowing, generally, if you already have it or not.... Growing hoyas is not so much knowing how hoyas grow but knowing the needs and conditions of tropical plants out of their comfort zones.....



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ImageLauraCarnosa
Apr 9, 2011 9:59 PM CST
Name: Laura Gardiner
Manitoba, Canada
You can't 'un-ring' a bell.
I am your humble student, and appreciate your advice to a begginer. Hurray!
"When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."
- Chinese Proverb
AlohaHoya
Apr 9, 2011 10:40 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Life and hobbies are supposed to be fun!!!! Big Grin

Another idea: if you are looking up the I D of one of your new plants...look at a number of sites: embrace the majority of opinions and then verify. There is a lot of confusion out there: many times the fault is ignorance and other times it could be a difference of opinion. All genera collections produce controversy...and the hoya world certainly has it's share.... Rolling my eyes.
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ImageLauraCarnosa
Apr 9, 2011 11:23 PM CST
Name: Laura Gardiner
Manitoba, Canada
You can't 'un-ring' a bell.
Thank-you, for the excellent advice.

Re-enforces I've been going in the proper direction.
Y'know, as oppsed to asking every Tom, Dick & Harry if I have a carnosa. Rolling on the floor laughing

Why-o-why must there be such controversy in the hoya world?
Is taxonomy like fashion? Everchanging from year to year?

And yes, this is a hobby, it's supposed to be fun for me.
As a green-horn, I come to learn and ask questions of those with more worldly experience.


"When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."
- Chinese Proverb
RandyBoatwright
Apr 10, 2011 7:48 AM CST
One of the great things about Cubits.org is you can spend hours reading all of the posts way back when and glean so much info. One of the things I REALLY like is there doesn't seem to be superstar-know-it-alls. Even the most prominent posters put their questions out there so they, too, can learn. Hoya growers show us thru this that there are a lot of conditions that influence YOUR hoya in YOUR growing situation that may not be true for someone else, and then again it might be true! I pay a lot of attention to what others say because they have already been in trial, error, and success mode longer than me. And it's all free info!
AlohaHoya
Apr 10, 2011 1:18 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
HA...I agree with you, Laura...the taxonomy part of any genus is tough! The way I see it is that the plants just ARE whatever they are and they grow however they want to. In the large scope of things, H. pubicalyx is H. pubicalyx whether it has a ssp. name or a cv. name or a.....? But 'MAN' has to put 'his' order in the soup...and sort it all out...and give everything a name and it is 'man' who interprets it all. So there is an unwritten but accepted caveat that before any ID there is a silent ("in my opinion")....somepeople forget the humility part Whistling

So...a plant is ID'd or determined by a certain set of 'identifiers'...based on lots of details...all determined to be important by 'man'. The plant doesn't care. The plant just grows....

There are those who are called 'lumpers' (they see minor changes from the 'absolutes' as being all part of the whole) and there are 'separaters' (who take a small aberration from the 'type' as indicating a new species).

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Sudee
Apr 10, 2011 7:18 PM CST
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AlohaHoya
Apr 10, 2011 7:42 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Yes...! And then, after all of this...enter the personalities! OY VEY...are there personalities? !!!!! Down to the lowest levels of "...if you are friends with X you can't be friends with me, and if you even mention Y's name I will badmouth you until the cows come home". And these are mostly the old timers who have been around since god was a Corporal....

There is a new generation of collectors who are actually collecting themselves AND using DNA to further test their hypothoses. There is a young Swedish girl who is working with hearing/speaking impaired children in Papua New Guinea who is also a hoya collector and she is collecting both from the mountains and the valleys. Another young PhD Botanist is working at the Botanical Garden in Singapore and will being his determinations very soon. It's an exciting world....!
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Sudee
Apr 11, 2011 12:07 AM CST
That is fantastic! I'm watching and waiting.
ImageLauraCarnosa
Apr 11, 2011 11:31 AM CST
Name: Laura Gardiner
Manitoba, Canada
You can't 'un-ring' a bell.
Excellent, RandyB.
:iagree:
I've gleaned much from these pages & others of the like. I'd always been to shy to join in, until a fellow Canadian encouraged me to join in.

Carol,
You're approachable, knowledgeable, without prejudice to newbies, & that's appreciated. I've much to learn, as I'm only 30. To my benefit, grandmothers on both sides are greenthumbs, so I hope it's genetic!
"When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."
- Chinese Proverb
AlohaHoya
Apr 11, 2011 11:58 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Another member lives in Manitoba...she the fellow Canadian? Donna?
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ImageLauraCarnosa
Apr 11, 2011 1:20 PM CST
Name: Laura Gardiner
Manitoba, Canada
You can't 'un-ring' a bell.
OOH OOH OOH!

Another MANITOBAN member?!?!
Very exciting!

No, It was a member from London, Ontario. A young fellow who's quite into his plants....
I contacted him thru the Hoya exchange & he put me onto CeeDub to get into the Canadian Iris Marie Liddle order...
"When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."
- Chinese Proverb
AlohaHoya
Apr 11, 2011 1:32 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
The other manitobian is Perrenial Girl...and she has a contact in BC you might be able to 'cuddle up to'. Lovey dubby
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ImageLauraCarnosa
Apr 11, 2011 1:51 PM CST
Name: Laura Gardiner
Manitoba, Canada
You can't 'un-ring' a bell.
Marvelous. Thanks for the heads up!
Being smack dab in the middle of the country, I can go coast to coast.

Currently, I've an order in with Pike Lake in Saskatchewan.
I've ordered serpens, lacunosa, compacta, and darwinii.

I've been told by other sources it'll be unlikely to actually get a darwinii, and it may be incorrectly identified. But, I also hear Pike Lake has nice health plants, and many satisfied Canadian customers.
"When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."
- Chinese Proverb
Imagepropmaker
Apr 11, 2011 1:58 PM CST
Name: Dominic Murray
Lanzarote, Canary Islands

I find both H darwinii and H mitrata hard to grow. Like with most hoyas, once they get established, they are pretty difficult to kill as I've seen them growing beautifully elsewhere, its just getting them past year one and two when they are most susceptible to root rot, which is what I have found.
ImageLauraCarnosa
Apr 11, 2011 2:14 PM CST
Name: Laura Gardiner
Manitoba, Canada
You can't 'un-ring' a bell.
I hope the plant I get is well-established. It will be a plant in a 3" pot.
Hopefully it's past this fussy infant stage? Whistling
"When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."
- Chinese Proverb
Imagethreegardeners
Apr 11, 2011 2:18 PM CST
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Ontario, Canada
Perpetually happy!
oh! Pike Lake sells beautifully healthy, happy plants! You will be pleased :)
ImageLauraCarnosa
Apr 11, 2011 2:39 PM CST
Name: Laura Gardiner
Manitoba, Canada
You can't 'un-ring' a bell.
Threegardeners:

Do you think if I ordered a darwinii I will get a darwinii?
I was told it may not be correctly identified, but Tom tells you it's taxonomy was correct in the 80's.
He's such a darling man!

Lovey dubby
"When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."
- Chinese Proverb
Imagethreegardeners
Apr 11, 2011 2:45 PM CST
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Ontario, Canada
Perpetually happy!
Last I heard, his darwinii is H. Serpens...or is his serpens a darwinii...

I'll see if Christine knows...she's familiar with his labeling.
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ImageLauraCarnosa
Apr 11, 2011 2:48 PM CST
Name: Laura Gardiner
Manitoba, Canada
You can't 'un-ring' a bell.
Now I'm doubly curious, because I also ordered a serpens from Tom!

But, like any good mother, I don't care what it is, as long as it's healthy!

(as long as it's not yet another carnosa) Big Grin
"When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other."
- Chinese Proverb

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