Identification forum: 'Little Leaf' : pubicalyx or carnosa?

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ImageJulieK
Jun 19, 2011 3:04 AM CST
Name: Julie Kennedy
UK
Is anyone familiar with this one?
I have a lovely specimen received labelled H pubicalyx 'little leaf'. The leaves definitely look lile a smaller version of pubicalyx, the flowers are identical to carnosa!
I've also seen an article by Ms Burton who talks about carnosa little leaf.
Any ideas? Confused
Thanks
Julie
AlohaHoya
Jun 19, 2011 1:34 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
any photos?

H. pubicalyx and H. carnosa are very closely related. When you say the flowers are identical to carnosa, does that mean microscopically, all the the 'inner plumbing' or does it mean visually?
Leap. The net will appear.
ImageJulieK
Jun 20, 2011 8:05 AM CST
Name: Julie Kennedy
UK
Thumb of 2011-06-20/JulieK/c64bc1
Thumb of 2011-06-20/JulieK/17092a

Ok, sorry my pictures are being truncated when they are upload...
Left: Hoya Carnosa Sue
Middle: Hoya pubicalyx
Right: Little Leaf
Cut Off: Carnosa from Taiwan
Thumb of 2011-06-20/JulieK/23f7a8

..and this was a visual comparison of the flowers, but that got cut off too?!
Is that any help- or will I try again??
Many thanks
Julie
Imagethreegardeners
Jun 20, 2011 8:32 AM CST
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Ontario, Canada
Perpetually happy!
great comparison!

**you can see the entire photo when you click on it to enlarge :)
AlohaHoya
Jun 20, 2011 10:37 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
YES....great presentation!!!

Just like children, plants have their own personalities within the genus (= family) and none of them look exactly alike. With a hoya like H. carnosa, H. pubicalyx and many of the acutas, pottsiis etc., they have been around for SO long (and seedlings grown out by curious collectors and passed on to others with cute names which only muddies up the pot) that it is wiser (IMHO) to simply know them by H. carnosa and H. pubicalyx rather than "Ruby Sue" or "Whatever". H. lacunosa has many many different leaf forms and some with larger or smaller flowers...but they are all H. lacunosa....and with H. lacunosa we aren't dealing with cultivars (yet).

I have given up trying to 'separate' out different forms/cultivars of species unless they are TOTALLY different and those differences are stable within that form. I would reckon on any of those 3 H. carnosa plants you could find enough variables within the leaves of that same plant that it would be REALLY confusing!!! Your plants look really well grown!!! The clone from Taiwan (probably a seedling from a grower there) looks a wee bit different from the rest but they are all H. carnosa when you get down to it, right?

Big Grin
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ImageJulieK
Jun 20, 2011 2:59 PM CST
Name: Julie Kennedy
UK
Thanks Carol, so carnosa little leaf it is Smiling
Interestingly the 'little leaf' had bigger leaves than the 'ordinary' carnosas!

The carnosa taiwan came from Paul Shirley. It has succulent, rounder leaves - more like moteskei, but I have to say, my favourite would be moteskei - the flowers are delightful.
Thank you for your help Hurray!
Imagepropmaker
Jun 20, 2011 4:18 PM CST
Name: Dominic Murray
Lanzarote, Canary Islands

Carol, didn't you mention at one point your H carnosa from Taiwan bore a striking resemblance to my H fungii ?
AlohaHoya
Jun 20, 2011 11:50 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Hmmmmm I don't have any plant by the name of H. carnosa from Taiwan...but I remember that H. fungii was also called H. carnosa from Vietnam. The original H. carnosa was found in N. China...
Leap. The net will appear.
Imagepropmaker
Jun 21, 2011 1:34 AM CST
Name: Dominic Murray
Lanzarote, Canary Islands

Vietnam.....sorry, that was it
ImageJulieK
Jun 21, 2011 2:11 AM CST
Name: Julie Kennedy
UK
My fungii has VERY different leaves to the carnosa Taiwan. Much larger with deep veining. Fungii is one of my favourites - it thrives on neglect and blooms all summer Big Grin
ImageRidesredmule
Jun 13, 2019 9:49 AM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida
Walk in Peace.
I thought this was a Hindu rope plant.
ImageRidesredmule
Jun 13, 2019 9:59 AM CST
Name: Charleen
Alford, Florida
Walk in Peace.
Thumb of 2019-06-13/Ridesredmule/87fd9d
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I thought this was a Hindu rope plant.
DebraP
Aug 21, 2019 5:33 PM CST
Ridesredmule wrote:I thought this was a Hindu rope plant.

I believe the plant in your photo is Hoya Krinkle 8. :)

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