Identification forum: Hoya cembra or H. odorata
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| There are some who are confused by this...and apparently this is what happened: Dale Kloppenberg saw an Herbarium Sheet of H. leucantha which has NOT been published. He used that Herbarium sheet to publish H. cembra...and since H. leucantha/cembra has never been found...the hoya we all know and love as H. odorata is THAT....Hoya odorata. Thought there would be some confusion....hth Leap. The net will appear. |
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| I seldom get involved with Hoya chat rooms but when my wife, Dorothy, mentions some answers to questions or comments that I consider off the wall, I wake up. It is unfortunate that most of the chatterers (chatees ?) do not see Fraterna for most of the answers are there. For instance, as the present and re-occurring cembra/odorata comments, this was thoroughly covered in the July-Sept 2011 issue of Fraterna, �Will The Real Hoya paziae Please Stand Up?� H. cembra was created from the unpublished H. leucantha - which had not been seen or reognized since it was described by Schlechter. That article was well researched and leaves little room for doubt. Fraterna is a good buy, with topical articles and a handy reference. Ted Green Green: Plant Research Kaaawa, Hawaii Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Clear as mud... I get 'Fraterna', and I'm looking at the issue for July-Sept. 2011, and all I see is an errata - type note that Hoya cembra Kloppenburg 1990 is now H. cembrae. Actually, that note is in the April - June issue as well (I guess we should all correct the spellings on our tags). I see no article with that title in either issue. Is it perhaps in another issue? Looking back to the original description publication, I see it being published in Vol. 2.2. That would correspond to July - August of 1989. I could not find it in the description there, or in the 1990 issues. BTW, back then the journal was called "Hoya Society - West Coast", and only later became 'Fraterna'. Apparently the species was also published in Asklepios in 1991, and in Kloppenburg's work called "Schlechter's Hoya Species" in 1993. I am only looking at a pdf of the journal, so maybe I do not have all of the material that was included, but I do not see a publication of the new species. It sure would be good to have Dale, Ted, and/or Dorothy participate here, as there are many topical and taxonimic questions that come up. I'm sure they are leery of getting slammed by she-who-must-not-be-named*, and I can't blame them for being cautious. Unrelated: while looking back through those early journals I saw a thing I used to grow as Hoya 'New Guinea White / USDA 354244' - what do we know this as now? * any Harry Potter fans in the house? |
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What I don't understand is how Ted Green posted as me???? Must've been a glitch...  It would be great if we could see the article, Ted/Dorothy...I am sure there is good information there. Unfortunately, I did subscribe to Fraterna for a couple of years...and frankly found maybe one out of all the year's articles were worth reading...The printing was very marginal. Carol Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Hi David. I'm looking at the July/Sept. 2011 issue of Fraterna and the article in question is on page 5. Title is "Will the real Paziae please stand up". Mostly it's regarding paziae, iris marie, schneei, odorata and leucoroda and also mentions cembrae and leucantha because the first 5 hoya's were being confused with each other and cembrae was being confused with odorata.??? If the issue you have does not include this article Ann Wayman should know. Can you call her or we can call her. As to New Guinea White: This is what Ted sent me: Doss: The inquirer should be asked if the thing he has matches this description. Here is what I have: magnifica, Foster&Liddle C- NEW GUINEA WHITE HOYA, 2�, clear white flowers; 10 in umbel; overpowering sweet, Gardenia-Nutmeg fragrance; leaves 6� fuzzy, on a robust vine. Add oyster shell to mix. New Guinea USDA 354244 (I just added this to clarify what it is) Paul and David must have named this 10years ago. Leap. The net will appear. |
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| The last message is from Dorothy. Carol I"m doing something wrong. Your name is coming up all the time. ????? Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Has Carol been there recently? Maybe she posted once from your computer and it's remembering her login info? |
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Wow, a Carol with 1 head and 2 voices.  Dee |
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| Ted, if you click the Logout button at the top of the page it will stop remembering Carols Login info and then you can login as you. |
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| Thanks to every one ( will the real Carol please stand up? ). My issue of Fraterna is missing that - I'll pop an email to Annie. |
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| hello everyone. I did some investigating and when Carol was here before Christmas she forgot to log out. I should have known that because recently my 14 year old grandaughter forgot to log out of her facebook and I was able to read such a lot. Now we'll see if my name comes up. Welcome to the group David. Sounds like you have a lot of background in Hoyas. Dorothy. |
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| YAY...I have my face back!!!! BTW - I took that photo of Dorothy when we collected H. imperialis seed in Borneo...she is holding the flowers from the vine....!!!! Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Glad to see you're back to your self Carol. Thanks for the welcome Dorothy, and Ted (if you're looking over her shoulder). Glad you are here Dorothy. I do have a bit of Hoya history, and a rusty horticulture and botany degree. I started growing them in the 1970's. I visited Ted in 2000. No need to bother Annie - I'm daft sometimes... - I have the article in pdf form. I did notice that cembrae is spelled cembra all through that article.  I am still curious about the original publication; can you confirm that is was published in 1990? Was there a supplemental section to that issue? Any information is much appreciated; thank you for your efforts on my behalf. edited to update |
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