Hoya talk forum: Article on Hoya nomenclature
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| I am wondering if someone can put together a simple article that helps people understand Hoya names and how and why they are written certain ways.Not asking for a Ph.D. level article. Just a guidance,specially for people new to these plants. Although one may find info on the web,it is scattered here and there. Another one that is really really needed,in addition to above mentioned is one about flower structure. Pollina thing (did I spell it right?). How one kind is different from other kind etc. Anyone interested in this type of community service? After-all,we have articles about soil and temp tolerances. Thanks a lot. |
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| You could look at this one over at Dave's Garden: http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/2071/ |
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I actually have the Cubit set up so that anyone may submit an article, so if someone's feeling authoury they can go ahead and write one anytime  Just click on the articles link on the right, and then click on the "access the article management area", set up a bio and write away. |
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David...that is an excellent article!!! Wonder if we could make it a sticky??????  Leap. The net will appear. |
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| David,I was actually referring to one specifically about Hoya nomenclature. I did not see that in that article you gave the link for. May be I am missing something? It is a good article though. Oh well. |
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| I am talking to Lee Anne about putting up some information. What, specifically, about Hoya nomenclature do you want to know? All plants follow the same rules... What do hoya names mean? (far too cumbersome to go into the meaning of over 300 plants) What does capitolization mean? (it's in the DG article) What do sp., var., ssp., subsp., cv. mean? Why do names change? Who determines names? What is the IPNI? ???????????? If you (you all) give some questions they can be answered more specifically...if not...it would be just writing a Book on Botanical Names 101.... Someone recently had some questions and this is what I quickly answered....hope it is helpful.... 1. Collectors "should" give an acsension number to their collection for each plant. These numbers give a history of the plant. When I started I did not do this and I am very sorry I didn't as it would have made my life easier if I had. IML #### is the 'code' given by the nursery of David Liddle and they stand for Iris Marie Liddle who is his wife. David was a wonderful collector/seller who died a few years ago. His wife continues to sell hoya cuttings (in Australia). Once a hoya is give an acsension number, it never changes. The name may change but the number does not....so the history of a hoya could look like this: IML 0000 H. sp. 0000 (if a hoya is not identified as having been published, it is given a temporary name which usually coincides with the ascension number, or it is given another name like H. sp. Estrella Falls. If and when the identification is completed it will keep the ascension number so that one can follow that number and see that it WAS sp. Estrella Falls and now it is IML 0000 H. carnosa (for example). In my records I have AH numbers but I do not use them. If you see an IPPS number it comes from Paul Shirley in the Netherlands. There can only be ONE species (ONE H. lacunosa, ONE H. kerrii, ONE pubicaylx...for example) but their can be different "clones" (forms of the species, collected, also, in the wild, as in H. australis ssp. australis...it is a 'sub species'. Hoyas that 'sport' or that develop a different leaf, for instance - when they are in cultivation/collections - they become 'cultivars' = different forms of the same species....as in H. lacunosa Snowball, Red Leaf etc. There are a few hoyas that have different forms occuring in cultivation because they have been collected for a long time. H. naumanii has only one form in circulation (I believe). Ted Green had a seedling from a cross of H. australis X H. subcalva and he called it H. cv. Pinkie. David Liddle believes that H. naumanii is a wild cross between these two species as they are from the same general area. You might want to google these different terms to get a better idea of what they mean. IF THERE ARE different forms of a species, it should be reflected in the name. i.e. H. australis ssp australis, H. lacunosa Poonsak, H. pubicalyx Pink Silver. Whenever you see an upper case on a name, it means it is a cultivar and lower case means it is a species or a subspecies. That is why it is SO important to 'follow the botanical rules'.... Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Carol,you got that right. Something like this, in the article section would be really nice. Not only IML number, I see there is an IPPS also.I may be wrong but isn't IPPS from a different collector. And what is IPNI? How are the names and various numbers assigned. Then there is a category Eriostemma, how is it different? Kind of brief information about general structure of flowers can be added. For example regular shape,campanulate (spelling ??),flower parts including pollina ( that would help learning how to pollinate). No point in going over ALL the available Hoyas because that would be just too much for the writer and the reader and also may invite extra criticism. Just a nice 'article' for dummies like me. (Wouldn't that be fabulous- Hoyas for Dummies book! I love Dummies series. I know there is a Dummies book on Orchids too and they are no less complicated.) I am not asking for a book here though. If everything is in the form of an article,in that section,it is easier to find it . Otherwise one has to look for it among thousands of postings. That is a bit difficult for a new collector/grower/hobbyist and a bit discouraging. I do not know all the questions to ask, I only know I should have asked something when I make a boo boo.....sometimes feel silly asking questions .........   May be others can add what else should go in an article. Am I making any sense? |
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| Alka...this is the reason that I URGE (= implore, beg) people NOT TO LURK and to post. There are NOT stupid questions (unless you ask the same question that is already answered in the same thread...that, to me...is borderline.... ) . Collectors "should" give an acsension number to their collection for each plant. -yes- there are many collectors and many forms of ascension numbers...obviously. Mine begin AH, Paul Shirley has IPPS, Joni uses SRQ, Ted Green uses a numbering system. These numbers are part of the name of the hoya...but it is also a way to keep track of your collection. We little guys don't have to memorize them...we just know the good ones and the not so good ones. An article can't to into every single ascention number in the world of hoyas....but now that you know what the number is...you can understand where to go to find out about it... the number is important...but it is not the ultimate in Hoya identification. In fact...for your own records you should have your own ascension numbers....but not lose all of the numbers that come with it...the history.... BTW Orchids are far MORE complicated that hoyas in my book as there are so many cultivars and the names MUST include the entire parentage....... It would be FAR Easier for you to find, on line, articles of people discussing Eriostemma vs Hoya. Why Kloppenberg decided to make Eriostemma a different genus...he explains it in his publication.... (Some believe there is a difference, others don't....it involves the 'acceptance/legality' of the publication.... I hope you understand where I am coming from. Collectors will have to do some of their own research and understand some of the explanations.....a whole book could be written here in the form of conversations, articles, pictures...and would everyone understand? I love to help new collectors get thru the worst hurdles...but I am not a botanist and I am learning all of the time....it would take a book. But then, would anyone read it? Just saying. It is far easier to answer one question at a time...please....that is the best way. I would love to become rich and famous by writing a comprehensive study of hoyas...but I garden 12 acres, maintain a greenhouse, love to cook and be with my husband, I volunteer and I paint....and I am 72 years old.... Gosh, didn't mean to sound so defensive.... better go back to writing about propagating...much easier.... Leap. The net will appear. |
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| OK........ it was just a suggestion .........not asking anyone in particular . In case someone likes the idea and wants to do it ..... If not, that is OK too. Thanks for all the answers. |
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| It is so hard to send messages on the computer...as they often come out not as they are meant... Don't mean to sound "like one whose name cannot be mentioned".... I am serious about the 'one question at a time'. I really think that it is not as daunting, not as time consuming to answer. Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Yup......got that.....one question at a time. No offense taken. |
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LOL... well, I can tell you -- newbies are inclined to think IML is the "official, scientific" numbering system (me included until today). Those Liddles are something else!  Carol - you are the queen of patience, kindness & sufferer of newbies (don't wanna say 'fools', as in the vernacular).  and you give off a very youthful appeal.  If anyone could write a good Hoya book, I'm thinking it's you. |
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| Thanks. Leap. The net will appear. |
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