Identification forum: What may be our correct names???
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| Hi everybody, I´ve got a Hoya carnosa tricolor and a Hoya carnosa variegated. Meanwhile I figured out, they are both be the same and the names are correct, just see below: H. carnosa cv. Krimson Queen (H. carnosa var. picta cv. Rubra) hat helle, fast weiße Blattränder und eine grüne Blattmitte, eingetragen als H. carnosa cv. Tricolor(e) oder Tricolour oder Tri-color, auch H. carnosa variegata, H. carnosa variegata Aurea, H. carnosa cv. Picta Aurea in Fraterna 4/4 (1990), S. 15; Hoyan 2 (1) S. 9; Hoyan 8 (1) S. 1-6; Hoyan 15 (3) S. 62; Hoyan 17 (1) S. 5 und 7; Farbfoto Nr. 84 und 114 Hoya Handbook, Kloppenburg/Wayman; SWC 2 (5) S. 10; SWC 2 (6) Cover; ehemalige Kataloge van Donkelaar, Hilln-Dale-Nurserys (Bemerkung: Bei diesen cv. ist die Farbigkeit immer in Richtung der Blattkante) But that are not my Hoyas! The leaves should be white to green from the outside to the middle, my hoyas are both green to white! Her are the pictures:  This one I got as tricolor...  and this one as variegata....  So, what are they??? Maybe the first one a Suzi Q and the second one a Rubra???? Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein |
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| IMHO they are both the same. Should be Hoya carnosa R. Br. var. picta Sieb. cv. Rubra Cobia Trademark name: Krimson Princess. "When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other." - Chinese Proverb |
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| Thank you Laura ! So it´d be this : H. carnosa cv. Rubra in SWC 2 (5) S. 10; ehemaliger Katalog van Donkelaar, Hilln-Dale-Nurserys hat rote Blattstiele und dunkelrote Ausläufer, gelb bunte Blätter mit winzigen kleinen Leuchtflecken und grünem Blattrand, ist patentiert als H. carnosa cv. Krimson Princess auch die Nemen H. carnosa cv. Picta, H. carnosa cv. Rubra Krimson Princess sind für diese cv. im Umlauf, publiziert in Asklepios 60, S. 10 und Asklepios 66, S. 10, in Hoyan 8, S. 1-6; Hoyan 10 (4) S. 79; Hoyan 15 (3) S. 62; Hoyan 16 (1) S. 12; Hoyan 17 (1) S. 5 und 7; ehemalige Kataloge van Donkelaar; Hilln-Dale Nurserys (Bemerkung: Bei diesem Kultivar ist die Farbigkeit immer in Richtung der Blattmitte) Wow, one spezies, 4 names...that´s kinda crazy...  Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein |
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| I think so. Hope someone else will jump in & offer their thoughts. It is maddening to have so many names for one Hoya. Especially when you end up collecting duplicates by mistake. And some of this type above are more flashy looking (variageted) than others, giving the appearance of being a different species.  "When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other." - Chinese Proverb |
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| H. carnosa, like H. pubicalyx, have been around for so long, there are many cultivars, seedlings etc. There are NOT lots of names for one Hoya.... There are many clones and cultivars of the same species and each has a correct name. It is people who mix them up. This is why it is important to have a good sources for researching your plants.... And hopefully multiple sources. The Swedes are very good sources as they are very active in their clubs and research them. Leap. The net will appear. |
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| I TOTALLY understand what you mean Laura... The thing is Carol when you research the hoyas on line they will say - originally this name - but now this name.... here is an example what I mean... http://www.hoyor.net/en/showspecies.php?id=54 So how do we know which sites to go by then...... And its not just DS-70 - there are lots of them that I have read were originally named this and now they are named something else..... so I understand what Laura is saying.... I have DS-70 and I also have bilobata... but they really dont look anything like the same to me... So it can be confusing for people and nothing is more frustrating than buying the same darn Hoya |
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| She is saying that it it is often sold as H. bilobata (by people who don't know the difference. There is a big difference). Some hoyas have been mistakenly ID'd by people who made honest mistakes. Others have been mistakenly ID'd by people because they didn't know any better. Others have been mistakenly ID'd by people who want to make a fast buck. ALL hoyas do not have different names. If you think hoyas are bad...try Orchids.!!! There are very formal proceedures to take when naming a hoya and rules to follow per the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature. Many hoyas were found decades ago by people like Schlecter who wrote them up, drew them but they were not 'published'. Then others come along, see a sheet of Schlecters' , look at the plant in their hand and say,"Looks right to me"...and give it a name (Later, someone knowledgeable comes along, looks at the paperwork and sees that there is no match and the ID is changed/invalidated etc.). OR...they find one of S. sheets that have not been named and they give it a name...without having collected it. Some, today,find the hoya and do the research and write it up. I am going out on a limb here, and I am going to say that much of the confusion is caused by people who don't know what they are talking about when they call a hoya by a certain name....or....someone thinks the other person said Krimson Queen when they really said Krimson Princess....or....they give it whatever name they think it might be. That is why it is so important to keep the name you have,spell it correctly and pass on ALL of the information about it when you exchange it (whether it's a seedling or a cultivar etc.). Making a name spelled with an UC letter can change the whole picture.... Another mess is made when greedy people sell a hoya by one name and ship a different plant, hoping the buyer is stupid. This happened recently to a woman I know: she ordered H. inflata from an unknown person and received H.carnosa. Everyone thinks that fortunes are gained by selling hoyas which is not true...but they get on the bandwagon and mess everything up because they don't know how important it is. If any new collector is still fooled by H. carnosa cultivars....they should pay more attention. I am sorry....I sound like a certain harridan in this post, but,come on....so muchis written about H. carnosa and the cultivars that NO ONE should be fooled. And,as I have said before,if the person you are getting a cutting from is not known to be diligent about names....get a picture of what you are going to receive. Taking a name of a plant as face value from someone you don't know is just silly.... Leap. The net will appear. |
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| After all, a carnosa by any other name is still a carnosa. No matter what label is affixed to it. And one can only have so many cultivar of carnosa in one's collection.  "When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other." - Chinese Proverb |
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| True, true. And...I really like them! Leap. The net will appear. |
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| I would be perfectly happy with anything that looked like a carnosa or a carnosa cross. Love 'em and they are so much easier to grow. Daniel, your hoyas are lovely. I have a huge one that hangs over my desk at work. Susan |
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| The thing about names is that it's people who give names to plants... the plants are plants and they don't care!!! Leap. The net will appear. |
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 to all of the above...I contacted the one who sold the "tricolor" to me, he told me, the name is a trading name from the reseller plantmarket in the Netherlands. So it should be called "Tricolor", what, like you mentioned Carol, gives a completely new picture. But I think it is a "Crimson Princess". And the "variegated" should be a "Variegated", but i seems to be an "Exotica". The point with the correct names is for me so important, ´cause I don´t want to give away cuttings or plants with wrong names. So I´ll do my very best to figure them out, even if I stress you....  I´m glad to be here, because I´ve learned already a lot about Hoyas and I´ll do my best to get more familiar to them, so that I´ll know what I´m buying before I buy it. Anyway, Hoyas are really beautiful, whatever they are named. Thank you Susan, yes they are! Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Albert Einstein |
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| It is officially (if there is such an animal) Krimson Princess (wears her white ermine hanging from her neck=variegation in the center) and Krimson Queen (white ermine over her shoulders = variegation around the edges). The variegation can be from white/cream/pink/yellowish/dark pink depending upon the growing conditions. Other names are "trade names". Often there are sports or mutations or seedlings.IF you do trade, cover yourself and send/give a picture of the hoya you are speaking of.... That's my humble opinion. (me? humble? ) Leap. The net will appear. |
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