Hoya talk forum: Count your losses for this season
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| I thought it is good time to talk about it. We may all learn something...... How about discussing our Hiyas that did not make it ...regardless of a reason or no reason ? H. pachyclada-Really really wanted it . Recently purchased but now it is taking last breaths. I suspect it got water from storm even though it was in the porch.This plant was not easy. If I did not water it, leaves would go limp and if I water ,they rot.I call this 'Goldilock syndrome'. It even grew 4 inches suddenly for no reason  ....I have just the last node left now.....and no hope for it to root.Hoya NOT limoniaca- although alive and kicking, I paid for limoniaca and it turned out to be something with scentless buff blooms.  |
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| Alka...have you compared it to the real H. limoniaca (flowers and leaves?). I used to have a plant of it...and I don't remember any fragrance in particular. Where did you hear it should have a particular fragrance?...maybe they are wrong. Fragrance, I find, can be very subjective: I love H. magnifica and others tell me it smells like old diapers.....? Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Carol, Gardinos own site(where I bought mine) says it has nice fragrance. Actually when I looked today, I found a pic on their site exactly like mine (top row, right to the plant). http://www.rareflora.com/hoyalim.html And here is Christina's- http://www.myhoyas.com/L/limoniaca/eng.htm And here is Joni's- http://srqhoyas.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&product... One thing that I just realized is that color of flowers is different on different site and even on the same site.But the scent info is fairly consistant. I have a strong sense of smell....so I am sure mine lacks scent. Smelled it at different time of days and different days etc. But then, some find carnosa nicely scented and I find it unpleasant. So, there is some subjectivity......glad none smelled like old diapers yet.  |
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Hi guys, I'm new.  I frequent the GW forums, but I stumbled across this Cubit and had been lurking. No more! The only Hoya I have lost this season was H. lacunosa 'Sno Caps' from Joni. For whatever reason, it hated everything I did to it. I didn't water it, it yellowed...I watered it, it threw a hissy and yellowed more. I tend towards underwatering, so I tried to keep on top of it. It grew one leaf the whole time I had it and lost a few dozen.  Everything else I got from Joni has been growing very happily out back. I don't think I'll ever understand. Alka, I think I remember reading somewhere (can't remember where) that that Hoya is kind of difficult. |
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| Welcome and Thanks Lauren, your words are very comforting. I also read somewhere that pachy can be finicky. On the same note, I think I also read that lacunosa can be very choosy. I got lacunosa recently and time will tell if it likes me ! |
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| ....I've killed my share of pachycladas...too much water. They like to grow really really dry and if there is any ambient humidity...watch out!!! I finally dicovered that if I watered 2wice a month on the outside ...good. And sometimes when we had months of rain...almst never. In the summer I didn't have to worry so much.... I've had a terrible year for propagating...maybe I'm paying too close attention!!! Leap. The net will appear. |
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AlohaHoya wrote:....I've killed my share of pachycladas...too much water. They like to grow really really dry and if there is any ambient humidity...watch out!!! I finally dicovered that if I watered 2wice a month on the outside ...good. And sometimes when we had months of rain...almst never. In the summer I didn't have to worry so much.... I've had a terrible year for propagating...maybe I'm paying too close attention!!! Thanks Carol,it was extremely humid here, over 91%. Plus a lot of daily rains. My plant was inside the patio but hung towards outside wall. It is possible that rains may have soaked it during last storm despite protection. I did not really water it much. May be a little bit once in 10 days or when it has been dry for a while. I read your posts too. Certainly if it was not easy for you, I am going to have harder time. I am not going to buy this one again. I like plants with fragrance and easy growing . I will just find something else. |
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| If you worry about the humidity, like I did, hang it where it gets good air cirulation!!! Ted Green grows his outside in the full sun and rain...but he doesn't get as much as we do. Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Carol, that is a good advise and I will remember that but....pachy is already in Hoya heaven. |
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| OH dear.... RIP. Actually, I gave mine to Ted Green because it was such a PIA and he had some mysteries around that group so I gave him my Pachy, my SubQ and cv. Christine. They grow so differently for him and we are both in Hawaii: he has less rainfall and is warmer. But it's still alot of rainfall...but they are outdoors in full sun.... Leap. The net will appear. |
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| So Carol, how are they doing at Ted Green's house? You mean he keeps them exposed to all that rain ,sun and humidity and plants like it there ! Florida's yearly rainfall is somewhere around 56 to 70 inches a year according to various sites. I think humidity here is a bigger problem than rain. |
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| They are thriving at Teds!!! I don't know how they do it with the rain...but they don't have nearly what we do and it IS hotter. Leap. The net will appear. |
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| It is so confusing why these plants do well in one place and not the other with similar conditions. I just hope I do not lose any more. Before pachy , I lost a callistophylla (that was also from Gardino... I think they changed their potting soil....more peat) and part of rotundiflora I got from Joni(little pot had 2 rooted cuttings, one died). My obscura is just hanging there ,not growing much (from a seller at a local plant show) and hardly one or 2 new leaves. Poor quality blooms, though it bloomed twice . Obscura has same water issues. Right now it is under a Ylang Ylang tree. Survives on rain for now..... Before that I had it in sunnier and more open place and lost 2 cuttings out of 3 in the pot. I changed the mix to better draining and put it under better protection from sun and rain. I still do not know what it likes. |
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| The road to happiness is paved with a lot of dead hoyas... that's for sure. At some point you will find what is just right for them. It's helpful sometimes to look up the area and the climate and is it single monsoon or double monsoon...that will tell you a lot about does it have any moisture the rest of the year. For instance, almost ALL of the Austrailian hoyas (except H. australis...hahaha) like to grow really really dry in the winter - but after 6 years mine outside in 150" of rain per year and our rainy season is winter....the ones outside are thriving!!!! Leap. The net will appear. |
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| OK.....so the ones growing in dry Australia, thrive in rainy Hawaii......! Why am I still confused? Now, I understand Australia has reasonalble rain in some areas.....but hard to translate it into USA regions. It probably helps to know the real growing area and learn about the weather there but it is still hard to translate it to weather in a different country. We are partly to blame for our failures since we try to grow these plants in a different place and the growing conditions provided are often different despite best efforts. Now ' best effort' is a subjective term , different for each of us.And Hoyas( and Orchids) are more sensitive to growing conditions than other tropical plants such as Plumeria,Brugmansia and even Milkweed. Do you think it would help to have an article just like 'Temperature Tolerances' on the forum.....about growing condition-dry/wet/steamy/damp cold/double monsoon etc etc? That would be highly educational and a favor to the plants........fewer dead Hoyas on the road. Now only the experienced ones can do article like that....not a newbie like me.  |
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| Adding the Light conditions, water as well as the temperature tolerances and locations of contributors to the plant database would address many of the questions. Location makes a big difference, as where someone in the north can grow in much higher light conditions than someone in the south, or have to water less/more...you get the idea. Would probably alleviate many "repeat questions" So far I have not lost one single one of the cuttings I've received in various trades, and all the new plants I've purchased are doing well. Black Dragon is the only one dragging it's feet but it's starting to move now with new growth. I've not lost completely many at all over the years...H.polyneura being the only one to have completely bit the dust. H. curtsii took a little figuring out but is growing great now mounted on a plaque in sphagnum moss. |
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| Well I lost so many cuts, that is almost impossible to count! Most of the time they die during the trip, but I'm good on killing the cuts after arriving too. Reason? I have no idea, sometimes I think it is too much water, too much care, but mainly I believe is the stress of the long trip, here is very hot, if the cuts stay a long time at customs, they don't make. I have some hoyas that I have ordered many times, like megalaster, at least 9 times, I love the affinnis, had tried at least 8 times, never make it, last time the cut arrived broken, no chances at all. This is so sad that I don't like to talk about! |
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| Alka...the H. pottsii that acclimated took 9 years! those I grow dry in the winter I grow in the greenhouse where I can regulate the water. OK...if a country has a single monsoon season - like Austrailia - I don't NOT buy it because we have rain all year...I adapt it to the growing conditions it likes. The majority of hoyas grow the same way....they have basic needs and certain conditions kill them Period. The information IS out there. Look at the growers in Sweden!!! If any country could be possibly different than SE Asia I don't know what it is...and the Swedes grow and bloom hoyas magnificently. If you don't find the information youare looking for re: a certain hoya from a specific region of a specific country...look at orchids from that same area. Hoyas have very similar growing requirements as Orchids. MJ has a good idea...when you add a photo to the DATABASE, describe how you grow it=describe what it seems to like in your area...and be sure to describe your area! Someone in Michigan grows their hoyas very differently from me or someone in Florida.... @Mitzi....I think it is very hard for you to grow cuttings after they have gone thru such an ordeal travelling to you! If a cutting is distressed it's going to be hard growing it. Do you keep your cuttings in very low light when you receive them, and bring them into higher light gradually, over, say a week? Leap. The net will appear. |
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| Carol, I did try everything, but normally I keep the cuts in low light and them I move them to a bright spot. But this is no reason for failure, I have many cuts that developed very well in good light and others that fail! I believe it depends on the mother plant, size of stem, and others factors. Good example Carol, the Sweden team! They have beautiful hoyas. My climate is similar to Hawaii and Thailand, and we don't have the same success as the Sweden people! Christina grows her hoyas under artificial light and she has a great success growing them. So there must be some mysteries that we don't know. |
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| Carol, you are right that information is available regarding where a plant comes from. Only got to Google the weather in that country....right? It is not so easy though because weather can vary from one part to another and time of the year.We can only use imagination to mimic weather requirements but still get it wrong. Guess I need a better weather IQ........untill then,I will borrow others.  I generally try to get idea about light,temp , water and potting media needs of a plant. Even then I kill plants. But to be fair to myself, I just started recently,with Orchids and Hoyas and I will get hang of it in a while . I think another reason for plants dying is when we get too obsessed with certain qualities(fragrance in my case) and think that we can meet rest of the needs a plant has when in reality we can not. I have learned hard way and still learning.......and smiling. I think Swedes work hard to provide growing conditions to all their plants but not everyone can go to the extent they do.We are often limited by various factors and do our best. MJ, I like your idea about including info in the database. But often time it does not happen. Mitzi, you are really brave. Trying to grow these plants after so many hurdles. I agree with you that most of the cuttings that make it alive to you suffer from long travel and being held up in customs. That may be the biggest reason for your plants dying. You can only do so much. |
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