Identification forum: Hoya diversifolia crassipes?

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plumania
Sep 26, 2013 4:59 PM CST
Name: Alka
South Florida
I got this one in last cutting swap . Came with label of Hoya diversifolia crassipes and though it grows fine, I have yet to see blooms. Leaves are very thick and smooth.
Online pics seem to have different kind of leaves.

Please help identify.

If it IS diversifolia, how do I get it to bloom?

Thanks.Thumb of 2013-09-26/plumania/d31565
AlohaHoya
Sep 26, 2013 10:20 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
It looks like H. diversifolia....but...diversifolia means "diverse foliage" so... In the Philippines we kept seeing huge Hoyas growing in trees and we'ld stop and run to it and...OH, H. diversifolia! The telltale sign of H. diversifolia is the margin of the leave...the edge...where the bottom of the leaf meets the top. On diversifolia it isn't recurved...it is very straight and sharp...the margins have an edge to them. That's all I can say...an edge unlike most other Hoyas.

I've never grown a diversifolia that would bloom! Crying Sad Confused Glare Even the ones I brought back from the Philippines... EXCEPT a clone that Ted Green has he calls Anthony. The leaves are beautiful!!!!! HUGE!! and it does bloom. The blooms don't happen within the plant, like many Hoyas...but only at the ends of the growing vines....so I have this HUGE plant hanging and the vines growing up towards the light in the ceiling...and blooming to beat the band!!!!!Thumb of 2013-09-27/AlohaHoya/981ae3
Leap. The net will appear.
plumania
Sep 27, 2013 5:53 AM CST
Name: Alka
South Florida
Hmmm.....got to check again but the leaf edge is not 'razor sharp' it is thick but straight/stiff and feels good when you run fingers along the edge.Does that make sense? Probably not. I like how the leaves feel but I want to see the blooms. I do not see diversity in the leaves except size which may reflect less favorable and more favorable weather. They do not show vein markings either.
I get the urge to squish leaves.Like a kid in the grocery store. Rolling on the floor laughing

Another thing,vines are fat and it keeps climbing the tree and the roots grow big,along the vine. May be I should strap a few vines to the tree or let them climb . Confused

Clone 'Anthony' looks beautiful. Does it branch?

I do not understand these 'clones;. How are they created and why do they grow/bloom better etc etc. But that does not matter much as long as they are specified as clones.
Imageknghoyas
Sep 27, 2013 9:32 AM CST
Name: Kim Tipton
Western NY
Alka,
If it is diversifolia, and you run your fingers along the outer edge it will feel smooth, the leaves on diversifolia curl under just very very slightly.
So run your finger from the under side,, pulling up and out,, like your checking to see if a knife is sharp. That should tell you.

Carol, hope its ok I butted in.
AlohaHoya
Sep 27, 2013 10:33 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Glad you did, Kim.

Alka...a different 'clone' of a species is still that species... OK... many Hoyas are found in many places - either in the same area, or the same country or different countries. Sticking with H. diversifolia - it can be found all over the island of Palawan in the Philippines...and it is a large island. So, different locations/environments: on a tree growing almost ON the beach/in a field around some rocks inland about 30 miles/on a fence in back of a restaurant in the city...etc. They are all different clones/forms of the same Hoya diversifolia. It is genetically identical to all the others but they may grow differently. It doesn't mean that it is a different species just a different clone.

Another example: Hoya pottsii. This hoya can appear quite different - subtle differences in the leaf shape - as there are many different clones of H. pottsii (just look at the IML numbers for H. pottsii on Liddles Catalogue).
Leap. The net will appear.
plumania
Sep 28, 2013 10:01 AM CST
Name: Alka
South Florida
Thanks Kim and Carol.
Yes it has slight recurving .....very very slight....using the technique you described,Kim.
Edge is smooth.
Ph well, whaterver it is.......just want to see flowers.
AlohaHoya
Sep 28, 2013 11:22 AM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Alka...I misspoke above when I said diversifolia didn't have a recurved edge. I have 3 or 4 different clones (same plant from different sources) and some DO have a very teenytiny curve at the edge.... Here are some photos I took yesterday of the leaves...and you can see that very small recurving and sharpness of the leaf. BTW - that leaf is 10.5 inches long....and others are 4" long. This is that same clone from Ted Green, 'Anthony'. DIVERSIfolia!!!Thumb of 2013-09-28/AlohaHoya/cd25c0
Thumb of 2013-09-28/AlohaHoya/8e8562
Thumb of 2013-09-28/AlohaHoya/a51434
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plumania
Sep 28, 2013 12:51 PM CST
Name: Alka
South Florida
Thanks Carol, leaves on mine look different and are 2.5 to 3 inches long .
Your diversifolia 'Anthony' seems different, looking at those leaves.Pretty leaves AND flowers . Smiling
AlohaHoya
Sep 28, 2013 1:32 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
Alka...yours looks VERY much like H. diversifolia...I can see the edges...I would bet on it!
Leap. The net will appear.
plumania
Sep 28, 2013 2:04 PM CST
Name: Alka
South Florida
If you say so... Lovey dubby Thank You.
ChristineJ
Sep 29, 2013 11:27 AM CST
To me it looks like this plant on the Gardino Nursery website. They call it Hoya diversifolia aff. crassipes.

http://www.rareflora.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Christine
AlohaHoya
Sep 29, 2013 4:18 PM CST
Name: Carol Noel
Hawaii (near Hilo)
It's all about choices.
The main thing...the most important thing is not the clone or whatever fancy name they want to give it...it's H. diversifolia! Sometimes these dealers.... Rolling my eyes.
Leap. The net will appear.
plumania
Sep 29, 2013 5:05 PM CST
Name: Alka
South Florida
Ears perked up! Thanks Carol.
Christine I saw that today too. Wonder how they get theirs to bloom. Mine had the same name tag. Shrug!
Imagemjsponies
Oct 6, 2013 2:39 PM CST
Name: mj
Deleon Springs, Fl
Alka, it might just need a little more time. You said you got as a cutting at the last swap we had ? So it's not even 18 months yet.

I have H. diversifolia ssp el-nidicus from the last swap also, and it's just started to form buds on a couple pendicules. I also give this one a couple hours of DIRECT sun.
plumania
Oct 6, 2013 4:01 PM CST
Name: Alka
South Florida
MJ, thanks for the encouragement. Mine also gets fair bit of direct sunlight in the morning. I will just wait and see.
Sigillatis1
Oct 9, 2013 12:50 PM CST
Name: Nancy
Central, FL
My diversifolia was the slowest and stingiest bloomer I had...but yet it was the fastest grower (took over the whole) area where I had it. It was potted underneath some Oak trees and some of the rogue vines rooted on the Oak trunk and kept growing and growing...I think this plant only bloomed once maybe twice in the several years I had it. I finally gave the plant away ( I no longer had the room) and the large vines that were growing on the Tree trunk I eventually had to cut down, the vines were taking over the other hoyas and choking them out that were growing in the vicinity. I don't believe I'll ever grow Diversifolia again,lol...

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Imagemjsponies
Oct 9, 2013 8:52 PM CST
Name: mj
Deleon Springs, Fl
Nancy,
Did you have the sp.? Mine ( diversifolia ssp el-nidicus ) has been very well behaved. It grows, but not to the point where I have problems....say like the carnosas' which are all over the tree's right now and have withstood temps into the upper 20's. I'm actually not complaining as I love them so much, but I would be thrilled if I could leave this one out to climb. One more that I could leave out in cooler/cold temps. I'm just enough farther north than you that I have my doubts about it being tolerant of our cooler winter temps We almost always have a frost/freeze here. It has formed pendicules in just about 14 months from a cutting and they have buds now, which makes me think it may be a short day plant. Even with all the rain we've gotten and lower night time temps they are staying green and plump. So moisture/cooler temps doesn't seem to cause a problem so far. Keeping my fingers crossed. I think where you are I'd just let it climb the tree and enjoy.
Sigillatis1
Oct 11, 2013 1:42 PM CST
Name: Nancy
Central, FL
Hi MJ, No...I'm pretty sure its just the original diversifolia (not sp) About 3 years ago I received a free cutting from a vendor when I ordered a few plants from them, they gave me a 4 leaf unrooted cutting and that's what it "grew" up to be,lol...it was almost invasive lol...

I actually have an RHP and KQ that is growing up that tree right now, there just wasn't enough room for that Diversifolia and honestly as stingy of a bloomer that it turned out to be I figured it was just best to get rid of it...plus, I'm not a fan of the leaves either.

MY RHP, Pink silver, wayettii and KQ I also leave out all year...it survived upper 20's last winter as well, I'm hoping we don't have much colder than that this winter since I won't be able to take these very large plants down unless I really have to without cutting off all the vines that have grown up the tree!
Imagemjsponies
Oct 11, 2013 2:05 PM CST
Name: mj
Deleon Springs, Fl
Nancy,
Well that's good to know about the RHP, Pink Silver etc. I leave most of the carnosa types out also but thru a blanket over them if we are going to get a frost/freeze, tho the vines that are up in the tree's have not been bothered so far.

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