Hunting forum: Which rifle do I want?

 
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Imagemarti
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Mary (Marti) Nelson
Ventura, CA
Peace and long life
I am new to Kentucky and the last time I hunted was with my sister and a friend in the Dome Wilderness in Kern County, Calif.We had three wonderfull days. In The Dome Wilderness the guide that took us in said if we got a buck, clean it, keep it in the shade and 1 of us was to come to the main camp and they would come out with a pack mule to get it. We had trouble understanding why the three of us couldn't carry the deer into our camp by ourself. When we hunted with our father, we helped carry the deer to camp. What we didn't realize was the pacific bucks we hunted for with dad are very small compared to a mule deer. The only deer we saw on that hunt was a doe and DARN no doe tag. Than we knew why we should have them come out and pack one in with the mules. LORDY!!!! Talk about meat in the freezer. LOTS OF MEAT!!!

In the Dome Wilderness, there is no motor vicheles allowed, No chain saws, no ATVs. You hike in or go in on horseback. The guides took us to our camp and said they would come back and set up camp for us. My sister and I looked at each other, shook our heads and started setting up camp. When the guide got back, we had tent up, gear put away, fire going and firewood stacked up and had started dinner. He shook his head and went back to main camp. It was a great time had by the three of us, including a run in with a bear by me. I was fishing and the bear came to fish. I quickly packed up and went back to camp. I wasn't going to argue with him over whose fish was in that pond. The Dome Wilderness is also Golden Trout Country.

The rifle I had at the time was a 465 Mouzer carbine (I think I spelled that right). I don't have a rifle right now, but am looking at a Remington 700 .243 with a 4 X scope.

Marti
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ImageUniQueTreasures
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Janet Colvin
Z8~Beaumont~Southeast Texas
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Tom,

I have to step in here a minute and tell you that I love folks that take the time to explain things. I've known hunters that take for granted that anyone that hunts just "knows" these things. Well I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about guns yet so I really I appreciate your knowledge and willingness to share the "whys" here.

Thanks! I'd hunt with you any ol' time! Big Grin

Janet
Imagetmar
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Tom Marschall
Fredericksburg Tx
Maker of fine custom furniture
Marti, great choice with the remington 700, but I'm a little curious why you want the 243 caliber. What do you plan on shooting with that? I have the rem 700 in 7mm mag. It shoots better than I can.... excellent rifle.

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ImageUniQueTreasures
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Janet Colvin
Z8~Beaumont~Southeast Texas
Proud member of Cubits.org
Welcome Marti!

I've seen mule deer on TV. They do look like a lot of meat for the freezer. No wonder they wanted you to go get them to haul it out.

I don't know if I would have been quite so calm about leaving my fishing, but sure understand why you did it. The key would have been to actually get my feet to moving. I'm sure I would have been frozen to the spot in fear!

That's a great looking deer Tom!
Quoting:I have the rem 700 in 7mm mag. It shoots better than I can.... excellent rifle.

I love that statement! Big Grin
Imagemarti
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Mary (Marti) Nelson
Ventura, CA
Peace and long life
I'm sorry. Its .243. less kick than a 30-30 according to the gun people. The shell is about half the size of a 30-06 shell.

Marti
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Imagetmar
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Tom Marschall
Fredericksburg Tx
Maker of fine custom furniture
Marty, I might suggest you go borrow or at least shoot some rifles in the caliber and model you are considering. The amount of kick a 30-30 has compared to a .243 has more to do with the rifle than the caliber or size of the bullet. A rifle that is too light weight for the bullet will stomp you every time. I shoot the 7 mm mag and I also shoot a 30-30, the difference in kick is not that noticeable. It is also important that the rifle be fitted for you, if the stock is too long or too short, it can be uncomfortable to shoot. I was told to flex your arm and place the butt of the rifle on the inside of your elbow, your trigger finger should just reach over the trigger, thats sposed to be the right length of stock for you.

You might guess I have a bias against the .243, and I do for hunting meat for the freezer. The impact of such fast bullets seems to turn whatever it hits into bloody hamburger. I think it is because the bullets more or less explode and more of the energy is absorbed by what is hit. Heavier slower bullets tend to stay together and transfer their energy to a more localized area.

well... enough for now, what kind of game do you plan on hunting?

Janet, got that one the opening day of the 2008 season, about 30 minutes into the day, was a short hunt. Got it up close to Mason.
Imagemarti
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Mary (Marti) Nelson
Ventura, CA
Peace and long life
I'm planning on going deer hunting. I'm told that many hunters in this area use the .243. Yes, its a lighter rifle but I have a back injury and will be hunting on a private ranch. They will do the game lugging for me when I get a deer. I can't hike off on my own because of the back injury so have to use this method if I want a deer. So far no one has offered to share venison with me and on disability I can't afford to buy venison.

I have a friend who is a retired sheriff in Calif and hunts frequently. I talked this over with him and he says for the kind of hunting I'll be doing and consideration of my health problems, he thinks the .243 will be fine for me. He is planning a trip out to go hunting with me for this first time. It has been a long time since I've hunted.

Marti
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Imagetmar
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Tom Marschall
Fredericksburg Tx
Maker of fine custom furniture
Ok, that sheds some light on the subject. Is the concern carrying the weight around the pasture, the recoil, or both? Also, what distances will you be shooting?
Imagemarti
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Mary (Marti) Nelson
Ventura, CA
Peace and long life
Theres pasture land and forest on the ranch I'll be hunting. I called them about the rifle and they said many of their hunters use that model and so does the wife of the owner. Mostly the recoil is a problem for me. I've used my dads 30-06 a few times but always got knock back by it. On the ranch I can hunt from a blind and I don't mind waiting for Bambi to get close enough for me to get him.

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ImageMidnitedog
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: B Kisner
Bradford county Pa.
Hey marti, just wanted to throw out another opinion for you. I'm not going try to change your mind just offer a little insight into your choice of the .243. Both of my big kids use a .243 and love them but as tmar suggested be careful where you hit them, they will do a lot of damage if you hit a shoulder bone or another heavy bone. Our deer around here average 60-100bs and I have seen several deer where the bullet didn't come out of the deer, we found one my daughter got this year right under the hide on the opposite side of where she hit the deer, keep in mind a bullet that stops in a animal has expended all of it's energy inside the animal. I suggest using the heaviest bullets you can get, 100gr is what we use. My dad told me along time ago, it's not what you shoot them with it's where you hit them. My kids use .243's my wife uses a 30-30, I use arrows and we all do alright.
Good luck from the Midnitedog!
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Imagemarti
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Mary (Marti) Nelson
Ventura, CA
Peace and long life
Than do you suggest a 30-30?
Like I said my dad hunted for many years in Calif. The pacific bucks field dressed at maybe 60 lbs. My dad used a 30-06 Enfield with a sported stock. The 765 I had was a saddle carbine and just to much kick for me.

My friend in Calif says either a .243 or a 30-30. I found a .243 that will only cost $467. with a 4X scope and thats brand new. Maybe I should think about this alittle more. I'm not going out tomorrow to buy a rifle, so will take time and look around.

Marti
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ImageMidnitedog
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: B Kisner
Bradford county Pa.
Either one works good, the .243 was developed as a flat shoot rifle for medium sized animals, if you feel a 30-30 has to much recoil you may have problems shooting it well due to anticipating the recoil. Like I said my son uses a .243 an he's 6' 2" 225 lbs, he refuses to even try my 30-06, I also have a 25-06, that's a great deer rifle an uses a little heaver bullet 120gr, use whatever your comfortable with. $467 is a good price for a new rifle with a scope, .243 shells around here run $20 a box, outrageous Grumbling !
Midnitedog
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Imagemarti
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Mary (Marti) Nelson
Ventura, CA
Peace and long life
Thanks I'll still look around. It will be a couple of months before I buy and than I can go shooting a few times at the range to sight it in and get used to it.

Marti Thumbs up
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ImageMidnitedog
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: B Kisner
Bradford county Pa.
Sounds like a good plan, I will say the deer my daughter got with her .243 this year was 80 -90 yards from her an it only went about 25 yards, they are deadly. My wife's 30-30 is a bolt action so it's a little heaver but they are very hard to find and pricey, I've had it 40 years. I
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Dann_L
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Dan
San Tan Valley, AZ
I'll throw in another option too.

You may want to consider a 7mm 08. The cartridge is the same size as the .243 but it shoots a little heavier bullet. I have been thinking about going that route sometime in the next few years. That 7mm bullet has some very good qualities and, in my opinion, is the near perfect caliber for deer size game.

Recoil should be similar to the .243 which is generally accepted as a mild shooter.
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Imagemarti
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Mary (Marti) Nelson
Ventura, CA
Peace and long life
I'll check into the 7mm 08. Who makes that rifle? The .243 I was looking at is a Remington 700. Confused
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ImageMidnitedog
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: B Kisner
Bradford county Pa.
Remington makes a 7mm 08, a buddy of mine has one and absolutely loves it, I think his may be a Remington model 7 , another great rifle.
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Imagetmar
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Tom Marschall
Fredericksburg Tx
Maker of fine custom furniture
Glad to see some others chiming in. All make good points. I would like to expand on one of them. Where you hit them is maybe most important. A .22 rimfire will drop a deer in its tracks, if you hit it between the eyes. Whatever you choose, learn to shoot it well and you will get the most enjoyment from hunting that way. With the Remington model 700, anything under 100 yds should be an easy head or neck shot, IF you get to the point where you can shoot that well.

A short story on marskmanship when it comes to shooting at game. It was the first day of the season, and I was at my favorite blind, the granite boulders in the corner of the pasture. A decent doe walks out and I decide to take her. She was about 30 yds looking my direction. I put the crosshairs below her chin and pulled the trigger on my remington 700. I look up expecting to see her hitting the ground, instead she runs away without even a scratch. I am totally dumbfounded... Confused .... Lord only knows what happened, but the incident had me second guessing my marksmanship. That afternoon I am at the same blind, nothing moving, so I decide to head back to camp a little early. Maybe I will run across something along the way. Not long and I see a buck about 80 yds away.... about the same time he sees me. I raise my rifle and check him out, he is decent enough to take, however, he is facing me and I know I an not that good shooting from a standing position, unsupported..... this and the morning's miss had me in a quandry. I decided to take the shot, put the crosshairs below his chan and pulled the trigger. I look up in time to see him hit the ground, dead center through the neck will do that you know Thumbs up The moral of the story, regardless of how much you practice, you will always be subject to flukes like that.
ImageUniQueTreasures
Feb 19, 2010 9:36 PM CST
Name: Janet Colvin
Z8~Beaumont~Southeast Texas
Proud member of Cubits.org
Hey Folks,

I am enjoying this discussion. I've just had a thought tho.

I think others would really benefit from all of the input here and it's more than halfway down a thread. So.............
I am going to split this discussion off to one of it's own. I will call it "Which rifle do I want?"

I've always been one to CYOB. So I am letting you know in case the system doesn't mark this threads for you.

I'm new to this cubiteering, and we have so many neat features available.

Anytime anyone wants to start a new thread with a new discussion, please don't hesitate.

If you need another Special Topic type of forum, just send me a c-mail and I'll be happy to set it up.

Anything I can do to make this place better for you? I'm open to suggestions. Big Grin

Janet

Janet

Imagemarti
Feb 20, 2010 7:01 AM CST
Name: Mary (Marti) Nelson
Ventura, CA
Peace and long life
Thank you for the discussion. I've got some good information about rifles and some different opinions that I will think about. Like I said, it will be a couple of months before I am ready to buy, so will slow down and take some serious looks at other rifles. I will keep posting my hunt for a rifle here and will stay open to suggestions.

Marti
Tahlmorra lujhala mei wiccan
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