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Imagestormyla
Sep 28, 2010 10:03 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
This is always an active area of discussion. Which photography editing software best suits my needs? Am I getting everything I can out of my existing software? What's the best system for labeling and storing my photos? Should I buy a storage device? If so what kind? Should I store my photos on the internet? Which services are the best?
What organization styles work best? Please ask your questions and post your solutions here. Tell us what you have and why you like it.

Photo by luvsgrtdanes

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Imagestormyla
Sep 30, 2010 12:15 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Love that picture Ronnie! These are two areas where I need a lot of help. Sheryl has been helping me trying to learn how to use the Iphoto program on the MAC and I think that some of the things that I did with it last night might have something to do with why I'm having trouble using the MAC today.

I was moving photos from the PC to the MAC to have them all together in one spot. That was successfully accomplished. Then I was trying to back all of the photos up onto a large 32G memory stick. I ran into a number of problems there after hours of work. Spent several more hours last night and then the computer acted up and I haven't sorted it all out yet.

Sheryl suggested that maybe I should be storing them on CD's, but there are way too many to put onto a single CD. Her concern was that the memory stick might go bad. I had thought about doing a series of CD's but know that CD's can go bad too. So...who knows what is best??

Years ago I used an internet image storage service for scanned documents. Then the company went bankrupt in the Dotcom bust and my images all disappeared into cyberspace, so I have been reluctant to go that route.

Ideally, I want to have two backups of my photos and probably will buy a stand alone external disk for the second backup. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions here? What is everybody else using for photo storage?

luvsgrtdanes
Sep 30, 2010 1:18 PM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
I don't have any backup and am in big trouble if something happens. My brother who was big into computers for a while said the best thing as an external hard drive. I should look into it. I have over 10,000 pics. I'd be lost without them
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

mekos
Sep 30, 2010 1:27 PM CST
Name: Jan - INKY'S PAL Charleys Girl
NEWBEE CHAT & HELP LINE
I'm a Charley's girl and loving it!
Ronnie, the easiest way to keep your photos would be to get some cd's and do a back up on them then store them in a notebook safely protecting them. It is easy to do and then anytime you want you can download them to a new computer or make copies for someone else or whatever. But you'd always have it on cd. I know NOTHING about a computer , but I do that to protect mine. You can buy a storage device but if it broke or malfunctioned, you'd have the same problem. I bought a notebook and folders that have cd slots in them and they protect the cd from scratches and nothing left to malfunction.
luvsgrtdanes
Sep 30, 2010 1:34 PM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
Thanks Jan, how do I do that Confused
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

mekos
Sep 30, 2010 2:07 PM CST
Name: Jan - INKY'S PAL Charleys Girl
NEWBEE CHAT & HELP LINE
I'm a Charley's girl and loving it!
Go to the start button at bottom left side of computer, pull up control panel, then depends on which program you run, I have windows prfessional I think, but anyway, look for a place on the left that says back up data, click and then choose which files to back up. load the cd and click to start, when the disk is full, it will pop out and you put another in if there are more to copy and it will finish it. Your pictures will still be in the computer but also on the cd's in your notebook. Then when you get more and need to , just do the same thing with the new ones. You can add them as you get enough to fill a cd. Also as you take pictures, when you go to download to computer, you can choose to just put on a cd instead if you prefer and click to download to the removable disk #for the cd. Get your brother to help you the first time, then you will be able to do it next time yourself. It is easy but without seeing what pops up as I go, I can't remember everything there. However you can click and just look to see what I'm talking about without doing it yet if you want to just explore the way to do it.
Imagestormyla
Sep 30, 2010 3:50 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Thanks Jan. The whole problem with data storage is the media and the obsolesence of every type. I have stored images on Floppy disks, tape drives, disk drives, cd's, jump drives, and hard drives. Ultimately either the storage device or the software that reads or works the device becomes obsolete.

Every couple of years, the data needs to be transferred to a newer system. I suspect that the days of the CD are numbered even as we speak, but I do agree with Jan about device storage as I have been down that route transferring data from device to device and finally to a service, who then lost it all.

I still kept all of the old storage media and have had a few times over the past years when I have had to reassemble that old equipment and drag out an old computer that was loaded with a compatable OS and reproduce an image. It was a ton of work, but it did work.

Ronnie, You'd better ask for one of those external drives for your BD too!!
luvsgrtdanes
Sep 30, 2010 5:19 PM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
Thanks Jan, I'll talk to my son he knows computers well, my Bro lives in Maryland. Your directions are easy to understand. Now I just need some CDs.

Stormy good idea on the BD present, it goes well with the new camera Hilarious!
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Imagercn48
Oct 1, 2010 4:10 AM CST
Name: Debbie
Lexington, VA
I haven't bought anything in a few years and I suppose I should get busy using the alternatives I already have for back up! I've actually got too many devices and I'm guilty of only using one. Whistling

My personal favorite is my external hard drive which is where all my photos are stored. I've also got a portable hard drive (USB and pretty slick!) and I try to update my Photos folder with the new additions but it's been months since I last copied them over. Thumbs down Usually a winter project so as long as nothing happens before then I'm all set! Blinking

We've also got a tape storage device (costly $$$) that our computer tech recommended it three years ago because of all the "business" information we've got stored on our computer. He recommended it so we could store the tapes "off site" in case of flood, fire, etc. Unfortunately another piece of equipment I haven't used much in the past year. The problem with the tape storage device is the tapes will only hold so much information and it takes more than one to store everything I've got. Rolling my eyes. Same problem with CD's, my files are too large! Sad
luvsgrtdanes
Oct 1, 2010 8:42 AM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
I was just talking to my son and he recommends the external hard drive with out a doubt. He also said the portable hard drives are just as good and like Deb said nice and sleek. You can get one that holds tons and tons of stuff anywhere from a 100$ on up.He said I would never fill it. I threw some BD hints at him right away Whistling

I don't have to worry about the business part anymore. The accountant backed up everything for us just in case we would still happen to get an audit.
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Imagesheryl
Oct 1, 2010 9:36 AM CST
Name: Sheryl
Middle Tennessee, 6b
Uh uh - I didn't say CDs, I said DVDs. And even the CD or DVDs have been known to degrade after about 5 years, protected or not. I'm afraid it is the nature of the beast, none of this stuff is as permanent as our old photos ... except the ones that turned red, grrrr....

Jan is right; an external hard drive is great until it is destroyed. I'd say the only sure-fire way to store at this point is on a professional server somewhere, where they do nightly back-ups of information in case of blow-out. I think I have that capability via my web-site, but I'd have to check with DT (dear Teddy, lol) to be certain.
luvsgrtdanes
Oct 1, 2010 10:03 AM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
Louis and I were talking this morning and I said after the dogs my pictures would be the first thing saved in a fire Lovey dubby
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Imagesheryl
Oct 1, 2010 10:09 AM CST
Name: Sheryl
Middle Tennessee, 6b
Okay, this is the LAST thing I'm posting - I could spend all day yakking with you all!!

Teddy has corrected me on the "cloud" issue - yes, you can buy professional storage, your only concern is if that company goes out of business - which isn't all that uncommon, and they do it without warning. The other issue is that of bandwidth - how long it will take you to upload a large file like 10,000 pictures!

He also said the larger concern with hard drives is that they upgrade every couple of years, so sooner or later you will still have to load your pics on a new one for either more storage, or an upgraded computer (your own) ;cause sooner or later your old hard drive won't be compatible with your new computer.

They got us, folks, they really do!

P.S. He also added that they're coming out with CDs that could last 15-20 years, when, I'm not sure and I don't know how long we'll keep using CDs, either. Kind of like the floppy disc.... Glare
luvsgrtdanes
Oct 1, 2010 10:20 AM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
sheryl wrote:Okay, this is the LAST thing I'm posting - I could spend all day yakking with you all!!

I've been thinking that for bout n hour!

Yes they've got us for sure. Maybe the best thing is to do like the olden days, print em out and put em in a box Big Grin
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Imagestormyla
Oct 1, 2010 10:24 AM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Didn't I just tell this exact story with my 15 year document imaging saga? The only solution is to transfer the data to TWO new devices/storage media every few years. Make sure that it is only the images that are being stored and not any kind of coding or software that reads or formats them. I've had that problem too.
ImageWild_Rose
Oct 1, 2010 11:01 AM CST
Name: Karen Allen
Fredericksburg, VA
Jumping in with my humble opinion here... I recommend an external hard drive. I used to use the CD or DVD idea, but it can get very expensive. A good 1TB external hard drive will only cost you about $100 and has more than enough memory for almost anyone. I personally have over 26,000 photos at this time, coming to around 77GB last time I looked. I back all my photos up to my external hard drive, and then actually take it off the computer. I try to do a back up after every really big shoot.
Instead of running after perfection, why not simply walk in faith?
Imagestormyla
Oct 1, 2010 11:09 AM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Using an external hard drive for your photos is great, but are you going without a backup?
Imagesheryl
Oct 1, 2010 12:38 PM CST
Name: Sheryl
Middle Tennessee, 6b
Geez, Karen - you need a whole new computer to hold yours!!!

Speaking of which, how many pictures are you all keeping on your personal computer?
luvsgrtdanes
Oct 1, 2010 1:54 PM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
Right now I have 85 folders with folder in some of them All I can say is there are a lot of pictures in each folder Big Grin
I do delete a lot in the winter Rolling my eyes.
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Imagestormyla
Oct 1, 2010 2:14 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
I get rid of a lot in the winter too. There's just not enough time in the day in the summer.

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