Healthy Happy & Hip Living in the Mid Atlantic forum: Vaccinations - Do the Benefits Outweigh the Risks?

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Imageflowersrjen
Oct 22, 2010 6:05 AM CST
Name: jennifer
central nj
Flu shots are totally unnecessary and actually cause more harm than good
http://www.ener-chi.com/vaccination.htm
Quoted from Weston A Price http://www.westonaprice.org/home-mainmenu-1.html
The flu vaccine does not work, and it contains dangerous, potentially life-threatening additives. A review of fifty-one separate studies published in 2006 concluded that flu vaccines worked no better than a placebo in 260,000 children ranging in age from six to twenty-three months. A report published in 2008 found flu vaccines in young children made no difference in the number of flu-related doctor and hospital visits. They are equally useless for adults, giving little or no protection against infection and pneumonia. And two recent studies show that children receiving a flu vaccine had an increased risk of severe asthma attacks. The additives in flu vaccines include mercury (in thimerosol, used in multi-dose vials), aluminum hydroxide (a neuro-toxin), formaldehyde, MSG (used in the growth medium) and various other adjuvants, including squalene (which when injected into animals renders them crippled and paralyzed). In early trials, the vaccine has caused animal deaths in the Czech Republic and human deaths in Poland. The 1976 swine flu vaccine caused 25 deaths and 500 permanent injuries in a pandemic that never materialized. (For an excellent review, see the report prepared by Dr. Mae-Wan Ho and Professor Joe Cummins at http://www.i-sis.org.uk/fastTrackSwineFluVaccineUnderFire.ph... Nevertheless, health officials throughout the world are pushing forward with mass vaccination plans aimed at health workers, pregnant women and children six months and older. The vaccines are mandatory in Greece and possibly mandatory in the UK and in some U.S. States. Our advice: just say no! (If you need a religious exemption, see http://www.cuwisdom.org/membersh.php.) Meanwhile, be sure to build up your natural immunity to pathogens and toxins by following the principles of a nutrient-dense diet that includes cod liver oil, animal fats and organ meats, bone broths and coconut oil.

luvsgrtdanes
Oct 22, 2010 6:05 AM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
Thanks for that info Jen. I've never had a flu shot and don't intend on getting one. I don't think anything like that should be "mandatory"

It may be helpful for people with compromised immune systems, the elderly and the like but I think for the general population and kids it's not necessary.
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Imageflowersrjen
Oct 26, 2010 7:21 AM CST
Name: jennifer
central nj
http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=BC98B4D6DF77AA4136BB5E6647...
Imageflowersrjen
Oct 27, 2010 6:44 PM CST
Name: jennifer
central nj
http://s10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived_Mind_II/ar/t42413.ht...
Imagestormyla
Oct 28, 2010 9:34 AM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Jen, The link that you posted on the 26th isn't working.

There are all sorts of considerations in the debate over vaccines. One of the biggest pro vaccine considerations is whether or not vaccines should be compulsory for school attendance. Children, schoolworkers & healthcare workers who would be exposed to non vaccinated children who may be infected could carry those germs home to non innoculated family members and pre school age children.

With infectious disease control, it's not just a matter of protecting yourself, but also being sure that you aren't inadvertently being a carrier and infecting others. Where do one person's rights end and another's begin? Should uninnoculated children all be forced into home schooling or schools for the uninocculated?
Imageflowersrjen
Oct 28, 2010 10:19 AM CST
Name: jennifer
central nj
I think they are doing work on that site...
Here's there main home page....but the video site is being worked on.
This info passed along from a friend who is a DOCTOR
http://www.naturalnews.com/Index.html
Imagestormyla
Oct 30, 2010 1:09 AM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Thanks Jen, I have to take some time to read it all. Been really busy. Sad
Imageflowersrjen
Oct 30, 2010 8:14 PM CST
Name: jennifer
central nj
Just checked the link, it's working now.
Imagewoodthrush
Oct 30, 2010 8:42 PM CST
Name: woodthrush
Albrightsville PA
We get flu shots. Haven't had any adverse effects. My mom died with the Hong Kong Flu back in the 60's. She was only 52 at the time. Maybe a vaccine might have made a difference. I won't say they should be mandatory, it's an individual's choice. You have to weigh the pro's and con's. I think a lot of scare tactics are out there for both sides.
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Imageflowersrjen
Oct 31, 2010 8:12 PM CST
Name: jennifer
central nj
Just read, that you raise alzheimer's risk by 10% if you get a flu shot five years in a row, I need to research that some more.
Imagestormyla
Nov 1, 2010 11:27 AM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
So many of these tests and studies are not big and long enough to draw some of the conclusions that I see being written in these links. I wish that the alternative medicine world would weed out the poor ones so that we're not always having to sift through the junk to find the good ones. These publications completely invalidate their usefulness as a reliable health resource by putting so much of the junk in them. People would respect them a lot more if they would stick to good scientific protocol.

The Osteopathic doctors fought these wars for years and finally won out by making their members adhere to good science. The chiropractors are only about a third of the way there now. even though the chiropractory association has a public stance on the side of good science, most of their more "quacky" members still tell people to not take their medicines and make comments like, Well I can't officially tell you this, but I wouldn't take that medicine. Those people should be imprisoned for threatening people's lives. The medical community is working strongly with the chiropractic association to drive those people out of the medical world.

There is a very well known one in our area who believes that they are qualified to treat every illness. They are only specifically schooled in musculature & skeletal treatment, with minor studies in nutrition and general wellness and should not be interfering in things like endocrinology, let alone cardiovascular & pulmonary diseases. That is pure quackery. They are making a killing selling all kinds of unregulated herbal medicines.

Here's what they are actually supposed to be doing.

http://www.acatoday.org/level1_css.cfm?T1ID=42

Finally, the Blue Cross here has dropped this doctor that I was speaking of, off of their provider list. Other insurers had previously done it. So many people who have gone there have complained of being told to throw away all of their medicines and to discard all of their other doctors' advice. I've personally had the same thing happen with 3 different chiropractors. So the ACA better get really busy & crack down on these people and they need to make them just like other medical doctors, no selling of any types of medicines to the public. There is too much of a conflict of interest here and way too many of these people are abusing it.
Imagesallyg
Nov 3, 2010 8:10 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland
slef employed writier
My sister has a job that has required travel to several different areas all over NE and the MA and South, almost weekly and at least two sites per month, for many years. She and the few with her same job in that company ,feel that their lack of flu incidence is due to their frequent, small exposures to every germ under the sun thru this travel.
I' m certainly not in a position to say that can't be true, and it does sound plausible to me. Its a very very small representative population of course. (Maybe oregano is the magic flu repellant. ( pizza chain trainer/company rep))


I think we should try to focus on the vaccination issue here.
"If you bring joy and enthusiasm to everything you do, people will think you're crazy" W. Haelfeli, New Yorker cartoon
Imagestormyla
Nov 3, 2010 11:29 AM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
You are right Sally. What sent me off on the chiropractor statement is that they have been among the most vocal of the antivaccination proponents.

Osteopaths whose whole premise is using lifestyle as treatment before drug therapy have publicly stated that vaccines save lives.

http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopathic-health/about-dos/what...

http://www.osteopathic.org/osteopathic-health/about-your-hea...
Imageflowersrjen
Nov 3, 2010 8:01 PM CST
Name: jennifer
central nj
The CDC states, “the most important thing you can do to keep from getting sick is to wash your hands.”
Imagesallyg
Nov 3, 2010 9:52 PM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland
slef employed writier
Amen to washing hands!
"If you bring joy and enthusiasm to everything you do, people will think you're crazy" W. Haelfeli, New Yorker cartoon
Imagestormyla
Nov 4, 2010 7:28 AM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
I think that is very true. The other thing is to avoid people who are sick. I normally get a flu shot in mid September. Last year on the Thursday after Labor Day, a woman was sitting across a table from me and sneezed. Some of the spray hit me right in the face. Within 3 days, I was flat on my back and it lasted in that severity for almost 3 weeks.

It kept coming back and then turned into Pneumonia, which took me almost 6 months to fight off. I saw her again this past summer and she was telling me how her flu turned into Pneumonia and took her more than 8 months to get rid of.
If you are sick, stay home and don't be spreading your germs around.

I would be just as happy to visit with anyone via phone, as disease can't be spread that way.
Imagesallyg
Nov 5, 2010 6:30 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland
slef employed writier
geez, stormy, what an 'expensive' sneeeze.
I noticed one of our doctors added that to their reminder message--if you are sick please call and reschedule.
Our gung ho society has gone overboard in us driving ourselves to perform even when sick.
"If you bring joy and enthusiasm to everything you do, people will think you're crazy" W. Haelfeli, New Yorker cartoon
Imagestormyla
Nov 5, 2010 1:30 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
When I was in India, there was a fairly significant outbreak of the Bubonic Plague. I was flying from India directly to the US. At the airport, the police were forcing everyone into one waiting room, shoulder to shoulder in seats that were barely numerous enough to accommodate the number of passengers on our plane. The room was full of people hacking and coughing. Paper is a real luxury in India. Few people were covering their noses, mouths or using tissues.

As westerners, we were sent through one health exam station, different than the ones for Asians. All they did was basically, pass us through just like any other security check before 9/11. The people going through the Asian lines, were emerging from their "tent" slower than we were. At that time, there still had not been a vaccine developed against the plague. Even now, I believe the vaccine requires biannual boosters.

My point is that today with all of the air travel, it is so easy for infected persons from third world countries to enter a country where a disease has become rare and quickly reinfect the population. When we got to the US, there were standard questions asked of us regarding our inoculations at customs. As I had my WHO card with me, I had no problems, nor did any of my friends. I don't know what other people were subjected to.

The worldwide spread of HIV is a perfect example of how a virus can travel from the third world and be spread even in modern times with strong sanitation regimens.

One of the biggest arguments against vaccination is that they no longer apply in our society because of our modern hygiene and because the diseases are now so rare here.
Imagesallyg
Nov 5, 2010 5:51 PM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland
slef employed writier
Yet smallpox is the only one as far as I know, considered extinct in the wild. Look how TB rebounds.
"If you bring joy and enthusiasm to everything you do, people will think you're crazy" W. Haelfeli, New Yorker cartoon
Imagestormyla
Nov 6, 2010 8:45 AM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Another argument against vaccines is that they are just profit centers for the pharmaceutical companies. From everything I have red in annual reports of drug companies, vaccines are generally among their least profitable drugs.
The fact that many vaccines are almost impossible to get here in the states is a testament to that.

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