Mid Atlantic Magpie Chatter forum: What's Going on in the World Today and Yesterday #3~ September 2011

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luvsgrtdanes
Sep 17, 2011 1:34 PM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
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It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Imagesheryl
Sep 21, 2011 6:13 PM CST
Name: Sheryl
Middle Tennessee, 6b
I had a young woman at Sam's ring me up for $4.57 worth of food. I gave her $5, but she punched $50 into the cash register. It boggled her so much that she ran and got a calculator to figure out my change.

And I am a math *idiot*.
Imagesallyg
Sep 21, 2011 7:53 PM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland
slef employed writier
Oh boy. You know she herself must make purchases in that range many times...Wonder what this means in terms of a kid maintaining a budget, having a sense of "spend this and have that left."

DH ran into neighbor kid at the community college. Kiddo said he has to take the non credit math because he didn't score well enough on placement. He graduated from the nearby public HS. Isn't it a crying shame that a kid can "graduate" and not be able to pass the placement test for a credit math at comm college? Gee kid NOW do you see why you shoulda paid attention?? (He just didn't know then what he will know now or pretty soon...)

I read today that child abuse cases rise with poor economy. Head trauma is common, boys are abused more than girls, average age of child 8.9 months...how can anyone ever hurt a baby Crying
"If you bring joy and enthusiasm to everything you do, people will think you're crazy" W. Haelfeli, New Yorker cartoon
luvsgrtdanes
Sep 22, 2011 5:31 AM CST
Name: Ronnie
Southeastern PA~Zone 6
I Love MAM~So Happy Together
I often wonder if the child abuse thing goes along with the parent being unhappy Sad they take the frustration out on the child...crying for lengths of time/baby gets to them.

When we had the pizza shop I was amazed me how many of the kids over the years couldn't count, and these were kids entering and going to college Blinking
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Imagesheryl
Sep 22, 2011 7:45 AM CST
Name: Sheryl
Middle Tennessee, 6b
Especially by a factor of ten - wow.

I think you're at least partially right on the child abuse reasons - unhappy, lonely, unprepared for the stresses of parenthood and not supported by family/community. Not understanding of babies and how they tick. The infernal screaming that you just can't stop, ending up in anger instead of sympathy 'cause they just don't understand. Young women without a partner to help. What new parent doesn't get frustrated?

Admittedly, my own ability to deal with frustration is one reason I never had children. I think now that it might be kind of fun, but I had to do a lot of growing to get to this point, and now it's a leeetle late, lol.
Imagesallyg
Sep 22, 2011 9:22 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland
slef employed writier
Kids ARE frustrating.
All those factors are part of the problem, seems to me.

Change of topic. NPR had s couple spots on this week about Nirvana/ Kurt Cobain and how influential that was at the time. Their no 2 album (but first on major label) threw Michael Jackson from the top of the charts so that was big news in the music world.
"If you bring joy and enthusiasm to everything you do, people will think you're crazy" W. Haelfeli, New Yorker cartoon
Imagesheryl
Sep 22, 2011 7:25 PM CST
Name: Sheryl
Middle Tennessee, 6b
... also in rock news, R.E.M. has finally broken up, after about 30 years.

That's a heck of a run, IMO. Many marriages don't make it half that far! Blinking
Imagezuzu
Sep 24, 2011 12:09 AM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
I still haven't read my son's book, but here it is on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Coasting-Pretty-Mike-Justice/dp/145369...
Imagesallyg
Sep 24, 2011 6:47 PM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland
slef employed writier
I've read Augusten Burroughs and David Sedaris- if not for kids living here I might read it.
"If you bring joy and enthusiasm to everything you do, people will think you're crazy" W. Haelfeli, New Yorker cartoon
Imagesheryl
Sep 25, 2011 7:27 AM CST
Name: Sheryl
Middle Tennessee, 6b
You really do need a Kindle, Sal. Until your kids have heard about sex, that is ..... Rolling on the floor laughing
Imagesallyg
Sep 25, 2011 12:51 PM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland
slef employed writier
I'm sure they've heard more than I wish to acknowledge..... Blinking Rolling on the floor laughing
"If you bring joy and enthusiasm to everything you do, people will think you're crazy" W. Haelfeli, New Yorker cartoon
Imagesheryl
Sep 25, 2011 6:53 PM CST
Name: Sheryl
Middle Tennessee, 6b
I think so. That's why it's always good to have "the talk", even when you're certain it's too early.

*So* glad I'm not a parent!!!!
Imagezuzu
Sep 25, 2011 11:42 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
Hilarious! Sometimes I have trouble believing I ever was a parent, Sheryl. That's certainly not the sweet little boy I remember raising.
Imagestormyla
Sep 27, 2011 2:38 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Zuzu, Thanks for posting that link. Are you having paralysis over opening the book? I think that I probably would. My one niece would have lots of great things to say about me and probably a few bad ones too. The other one would most likely blame me for a lot of her shortcomings as she does everyone else.

I am always amazed at how well my one niece handles so many of life's challenges and also get a bit tired of dealing with her frustrations. I'm sure that I'm probably the person she vents to the most, but sometimes it gets tiring absorbing it. We had a very good and long talk last night about life here in the US in today's age.

Here's an interesting article about the decline in verbal skills in the US. I thought that maybe it had to do with too much TV or the permissiveness of the hippie generation, but apparently not.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/opinion/how-to-stop-the-dr...

Imagestormyla
Sep 27, 2011 2:43 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Child abuse takes many forms and is definitely exacerbated in poor economic times. Did anyone see the case of the boy who shot and killed his neo Nazi dad just this week?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/26/why-did-10-year-old...

Imagesheryl
Sep 27, 2011 7:45 PM CST
Name: Sheryl
Middle Tennessee, 6b
Huh.... interesting. I guess we should be surprised that more abusive parents don't end up that way.
Imagestormyla
Sep 27, 2011 11:15 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Zuzu, your son's book sounds like it could have several movies made from the stories. I really hope he has a lot of success with it. Did he do any writing when he was young?

Well here's some very exciting and dangerous good news. Even though it will be implemented over a few years, this law if actually realized could make a significant change in many people's lives.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020401060457659...
Imagezuzu
Sep 27, 2011 11:50 PM CST
Name: Zuzu
Northern California
zone 9
King Abdullah is brave to take this step because it could be followed by a nasty backlash. Any woman who does vote in 2015 will also be brave. Even if it's allowed by law, it's forbidden by the social code, so women voters might be ostracized by their friends and families the way the women drivers were.

Mike wrote some articles about computers for a local newspaper when he was still in elementary school, Stormy, but he mostly made movies. He started making movies when he was in the fourth or fifth grade, and all of the neighborhood kids, their parents and grandparents, and even total strangers were recruited to act in Mike's movies.
Imagesallyg
Sep 28, 2011 9:52 AM CST
Name: Sally
central Maryland
slef employed writier
Baby Joseph story
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/28/baby-joseph-reportedly-...
This doesn't give any detail on WHY the hospital would deny the trach, cost control being the horrible first suspect.
"If you bring joy and enthusiasm to everything you do, people will think you're crazy" W. Haelfeli, New Yorker cartoon
Imagestormyla
Sep 28, 2011 2:20 PM CST
Name: Stormy
Valley Forge Pa
I Love MAM ~ So Happy Together
Sally, I have never gotten the impression that money had anything to do with the Baby Joseph controversy. From what I understand, the fact was that the parents wanted to be able to care for the baby until he died in the comforts of their own home. This required a tracheotomy be performed so that fluids could be suctioned out of his lungs daily by the round the clock nurses that would care for him at home.

Apparently performing such a surgery on a terminally ill patient in a vegetative state was contrary to accepted medical protocol at that hospital. The parents did take the hospital to court and lost. A religious hospital bolstered by clergy and pro-life and anti euthanasia groups in the US intervened and flew the child here to have the surgery performed. The child lived for 5 months off of the ventilator in his home.

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