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Image Looking Beyond the Garden: How did all those plants come to be?
By Larry Rettig on April 9, 2013

This is the second in a series of articles looking beyond my garden to see the bigger picture. In the first article, Looking Beyond the Garden: A Convinced Gardener Considers Climate Change (to access, click on the word "Articles" in the column to the right), I focused on the planet Earth and one of the ways in which its atmosphere is affected by what goes on here. The rest of the series ventures beyond our atmosphere into outer space to consider some of the fantastic discoveries made by modern physics.

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ImageZanymuse
Apr 9, 2013 6:27 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
The science of this article is way over my head.
Creationists asks me to believe, and have faith, that it all started from God.

The scientific community asks me to believe it all started when a "small point containing all the energy in the Universe suddenly exploded", based upon scientific theories, which require faith in their superior minds. Faith that they know things to be true which they can verify with theories...based on known facts...and more theories. To accept either, requires faith...that something as fragile as the spark of life itself came in a flash.

Shrug! Maybe that "small point containing all the energy in the Universe" which exploded...was God...and the scientific community may one day be able to prove God's existence with scientific theories. Blinking





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ImageLarryR
Apr 9, 2013 8:16 PM CST
Name: Larry Rettig
South Amana, IA
Perhaps. Thanks for your comments, Brenda. According to the Bible, God did say, "Let there be light." I actually have no problem reconciling science and religion. I believe in intelligent design in the sense that scientists are revealing how God works in nature.

And that's all I'll say about that. I really don't want this forum to get into a discussion of religion. There are too many passions involved and feelings can easily be hurt. I try to respect all religious points of view.

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ImageSharon
Apr 9, 2013 9:04 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
I enjoyed reading the article, I always enjoy learning and looking at things from different perspectives. I will agree it is scientifically difficult to follow, but if one grasps the theories behind it without worrying too much about the 'time' involved, then it all falls into place in a sort of chronology .

I have no trouble reconciling science and religion. That's one reason I delved into the study of ancient cultures even after I had a Bachelor's degree. The idea that an artist created the Venus de Willendorf more than 25,000 years ago, thousands of years before Venus de Milo was created, challenges me to wonder about the people of those years. We know nothing about them, except for their carvings and drawings on the walls of caves. Yet there it is, a window into the past. A past that is much more recent than what Larry is exploring.

I say let the learning begin. I love logic.

ImageLarryR
Apr 9, 2013 11:09 PM CST
Name: Larry Rettig
South Amana, IA
Exactly, Sharon. It's the chronology that I find fascinating. That, and the way in which particles evolve as cooling continues. I had never considered that kind of evolution. I had assumed that atoms, protons, neutrons, quarks, etc. had always existed.

Fascinating about the Venus de Willendorf. Your citation was the first I'd heard of her. Had to look her up. I was surprised by her corpulence. For whatever reason, in my mind I had always pictured western ancients as relatively slender folk.

Our window to the past history of humans has opened more widely with the advent of the sequenced genome. We can actually trace our journey out of Africa and see who went where.

We live in an era of fascinating scientific discoveries.
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ImageSharon
Apr 9, 2013 11:38 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
It is thought that since the Venus was found hidden in a tiny crevice of a cave wall that she might have been a symbol of Mother Earth. Later records refer to the belief that for a long time Mother Earth was worshipped because they didn't understand the seasons and were in awe of the changes that 'followed' the moon phases. Those things they didn't understand, they feared and fear often leads one to worship that which is feared. So in fact, those fat little female figures represented their goddess, Mother Earth. They also didn't understand childbirth but related Spring to Mother Earth giving birth ~ so briefly, that's the theory based on the artifacts. Anyway, it's through the artifacts anthropologists and scientists have been able to better understand the ancient cultures, ancient man. Many fat little female pieces of sculpture were found, so it was a widespread belief from thousands of years ago. Very interesting to me, those little goddesses that were worshipped.

This is a bit far from your article topic, but even so, it's along the same thought line. Cave art, drawn on the walls of caves, tells us similar facts. The drawings let us know of their hunts, their wars, their victories and their losses. Drawings took the place of words, but are extremely readable. Eventually it led to hieroglyphs, but that's far into the future compared to Venus de Willendorf.
SunnyBorders
Apr 10, 2013 9:09 PM CST
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario, Canada
Zone 5a
Re "proving":

Proof is a word of Mathematics, not a word of Science.
In Science, Mathematics is just a tool.

Science can no more prove the existence of divine beings than it can disprove their existence.
KAMasud
Apr 12, 2013 12:03 PM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri.
LarryR wrote:Perhaps. Thanks for your comments, Brenda. According to the Bible, God did say, "Let there be light." I actually have no problem reconciling science and religion. I believe in intelligent design in the sense that scientists are revealing how God works in nature.

And that's all I'll say about that. I really don't want this forum to get into a discussion of religion. There are too many passions involved and feelings can easily be hurt. I try to respect all religious points of view.



I tip my hat to you. When a person delves to deep into any subject by the time he reaches the end he realises that there IS a force out there.
If you go to what happened before the Big Bang then you will have to delve deep into where the initial energy that created all this came from? Smiling
Great article and well written I tip my hat to you. .
Regards,
Arif.
ImageSharon
Apr 12, 2013 1:03 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
True words, Arif.
ImageLarryR
Apr 12, 2013 2:30 PM CST
Name: Larry Rettig
South Amana, IA
Thanks, Arif. I think that at some point the human race will have to confront what might well be the reality: 1) that universes are infinite and 2) that a force exists that was always present, not having evolved from anything.
Cottage-in-the-Meadow Gardens: Come on in and take the tour! Check out the photos!
As a gardener: When planning for a year, I plant corn. When planning for decades, I plant trees. When planning for life, I train and educate people.


Website: https://cottageinthemeadow.plantfans.com/
SunnyBorders
Apr 13, 2013 8:05 AM CST
Name: Charlie
Aurora, Ontario, Canada
Zone 5a
Interesting comments, but obviously room for disagreement.

One thing that appeals to me about the little I know re particle physics
is it's necessary reliance on the role of chance: that is of probabilities.

I don't believe more thoughtful proponents of Science would now say there will ever be an end to the quest to understand the physical world, through Science.
And even with the accumulation of large amount of physical evidence, there will always be reinterpretations of the data.
ImageLarryR
Apr 13, 2013 2:35 PM CST
Name: Larry Rettig
South Amana, IA
I agree
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As a gardener: When planning for a year, I plant corn. When planning for decades, I plant trees. When planning for life, I train and educate people.


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Imagevic
May 7, 2013 2:18 AM CST
Name: Vicki
North Carolina
Great article Larry and you and everyone else's understanding of all this blows me away.

I am very simple minded and would have to say it's all God's hand. That I can understand Thumbs up
ImageLarryR
May 7, 2013 8:52 PM CST
Name: Larry Rettig
South Amana, IA
Glad you liked the article, Vicki. I've come to the very same conclusion. Smiling
Cottage-in-the-Meadow Gardens: Come on in and take the tour! Check out the photos!
As a gardener: When planning for a year, I plant corn. When planning for decades, I plant trees. When planning for life, I train and educate people.


Website: https://cottageinthemeadow.plantfans.com/
KAMasud
Jun 20, 2013 11:52 PM CST
Name: Arif Masud
Alpha Centauri.
Large Hedron Collider. Lets wait and see what they find out. Anyway when they fired the contraption the first time they generated vast amounts of data.
http://lhcathome.web.cern.ch/LHCathome/
I participated in the project by letting them use my computers to align the magnets. Now they would love to have volunteers who would allow their computers to be utilised to go through the vast amount of data being generated. Maybe we might find out the truth.
http://lhcathomeclassic.cern.ch/sixtrack/index.php
You can keep using your computer. If you right click on taskbar and open "start task manager" you will find that at all times your computer resources are idle at about 95%. Might as well let them use it for the good of humanity. I know it is not an idealistic world but a materialistic one but maybe some still in their old age have ideals alive. Then but it would only appeal to deep thinkers and not shallow ones which are in the majority. Larry keep the flag flying high Thumbs up .
Sharon I tip my hat to you. .
Regards,
Arif.
ImageSharon
Jun 20, 2013 11:59 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
Your thinking processes never cease to amaze me, Arif. I tip my hat to you.
ImageLarryR
Jun 27, 2013 10:06 AM CST
Name: Larry Rettig
South Amana, IA
Many thanks for your interesting comments, Arif. Thumbs up
Cottage-in-the-Meadow Gardens: Come on in and take the tour! Check out the photos!
As a gardener: When planning for a year, I plant corn. When planning for decades, I plant trees. When planning for life, I train and educate people.


Website: https://cottageinthemeadow.plantfans.com/

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