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Imagebillyporter
Feb 14, 2016 11:31 AM CST
Name: Sally
Nichols, iowa
Nap,
Funny that I find no curds for sale at the grocery stores. Only in Kalona.
I do not envy you your frozen pipes. That happened to us once shortly after we were married. You can bet we spent a lot of time and money on weatherproofing over the years. It's paid off in a lot of ways.

Mary Ann,
Thanks, I think they're cute too :o)
I missed about your horse stomped foot. I'm glad it wasn't bad!
I spelled accordion wrong too, all three times. Thankfully it spellchecks when I copy and paste from notepad. Make that four times. I had it wrong again!! In school I spelled well. We learned phonics, but I am bad at spelling now.

Oh Sharon,
All I can say is Happy Valentine's day to you!!
I hope you aren't scratched up too bad.

Mary,
Ironic isn't it, but at least someone got cold frames :o)
The loft sounds wonderful and any youngster would be happy to sleep up and away from everyone.

Sharon,
Snow light should be interesting to paint by. I wonder how your colors will look?

Lucy,
You are cold!

We've had about 2'' of snow so far. It was small flurries most of the morning, thickening about mid morning. Charlie scooped the driveway and I went out and finished sweeping the sidewalks by the house. It wasn't too cold or windy. I was surprised.
A small town has no secrets except itself
Imagebillyporter
Feb 14, 2016 11:32 AM CST
Name: Sally
Nichols, iowa
Sharon,
The branch gets lovelier each time!
A small town has no secrets except itself
Imageirisarian
Feb 14, 2016 12:00 PM CST
Name: Lucy
Hamilton, MA
irises
Interesting, about the layers.
ImageLarryR
Feb 14, 2016 12:01 PM CST
Name: Larry Rettig
South Amana, IA
Well. . . not going to see Palmer today. It's been snowing heavily since earlier this morning. We're up to 3" and counting. Brique had a ball on his morning walk. He's been in falling snow before, but not when it was this heavy. He didn't know where to look first while snapping at snow flakes. Clack, Clack, clack. Then he started running at breakneck speed. His momentum was so great that when he came to the end of his leash, it whipped him around and he'd end up facing the opposite direction. He'd take off in that direction and do the same thing. I finally had to reel him in because I was afraid he'd injure his neck.

Cute photo of the twins, Sally.

Sorry to hear about the frozen pipes, Nap. Our water enters the house through the root cellar. When the temp gets anywhere near zero, I have to make sure the temp stays above 32 in there.

Happy Valentine's Day, all!. We celebrated with a brunch of chocolate waffles with raspberry sauce and whipped cream, Seriously sinful!

Sorry yours started off on the wrong foot, Sharon. Hope the rest of your day goes better.

Wilma just called Palmer's foster parents and rescheduled our visit. We're to come to their house first without Brique before they come here.
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ImageLarryR
Feb 14, 2016 12:08 PM CST
Name: Larry Rettig
South Amana, IA
Forgot to say that the new Palmer time is tomorrow at 7:30 PM. I'm off to start on a huge painting project. Will start start on the bannister, as it will be the most difficult. The railing going up the stairs has 24 spindles and the railing on the 2nd floor has 20. I have tape each and every one on bottom on all four sides. Tedious.
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ImageSharon
Feb 14, 2016 12:22 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
Lucy, did you think I painted the way we colored in coloring books? Different colors side by side separated by a black line? Not all artists use the same techniques but layers work well when you think of it. A sky continues with its streak of pink behind a rose or a shadow continues behind a tree and across a black line. So it's just a technical trick, nothing more.

I'd say we have about 2 or 3 inches by now and I don't see an end to it anytime soon. The forecasters here sort of downplayed the storm and predicted no more than an inch or two but Sam called me last night and we went over our usual snowbound list: groceries, bottled water, dog and cat food. Bread and milk. All those things we might need including cans of soup and candles in case of no electricity. We have this system down pat now and we both said that our bones were telling us that there would be more snow than an inch or two. I think we were right.

Anticipation Larry, the waiting game. I know you and Wilma are anxious to meet Palmer. He's probably anxious too. Smiling So funny about Brique and the snow. Happens with Sunshine too; she gets so excited when she sees snow, I know to keep the harness on her just so her jumps don't injure her neck

Thanks about the painting, Sally. Snow light is sort of glaring, not as soft as lamp light or afternoon sunlight. It makes the colors a little harsh, the edges a little cleaner, lines a little straighter. And sunset light is even much more different. Late evening sunlight can cast an orange or rose color on the painting, changing the tones and the shades of it. Hard to explain. North Light in the morning hours is the best time for painting realistically. Likely that's more than you wanted to know.
ImageMaryE
Feb 14, 2016 1:23 PM CST
Name: Mary
The dry side of Oregon
Be yourself, you can be no one else
My first post this morning was happily interrupted by an invitation to go out for breakfast. Eggs Benedict was my choice. The car had some snow on it, icy because the rain came later. No ice on the ground or on the roads. The mountains and hills around us have new snow coats. Fog banks are wandering around and at times we could see quite a ways. In general, it's soggy and foggy. Right now visibility is less than 1/4 mile. How do I know the distance? Well, because the neighbor's fence along the irrigation mainline is 1/4 mile away and I can only see part way to it.

Interesting that while we were at the restaurant this morning, we saw 3 double tank trucks hauling milk toward Boise. From where? I know there is a huge dairy near Hermiston, at least 120 miles northwest of here. Now I have to see if Google will tell me where they might have been going.

Nap, I hope that you have a normally functioning water system before the day is over, with no burst pipes. What about your Burmese friends? Is theirs also frozen? Surely they have limited experience with frozen anything. You've never told us how they managed to come from the refugee camp to the US. Did they already have a relative here?

Larry, I know you are disappointed about having to postpone a close look at Palmer. One more day. Meanwhile, you tape, paint, remove tape, and have to get into some goofy positions to do it. In such situations it is handy to be able to do things with both hands. My Hubby is ambidextrous, or as he says, "equally inept with either hand". He can paint, use scissors or pliers, hammer and saw with one as good as the other. He was normally left handed until he broke his collar bone when in grade school and learned to do a lot of things with his right hand. However, he still eats and writes left handed. Playing baseball he learned to throw right handed, but batting left handed still comes more naturally.

Sharon, I hope your arm has stopped bleeding. Poor Sunshine is probably sorry that she hurt you in her panic to escape the thunder. I only heard of thundersnow for the first time a few years ago. You and Sam should hire yourselves out to predict snowfall amounts. Thanks for the dogwood pictures. Interesting about the differences in light and colors. Ordinary people don't know those things. I guess maybe light on a snowy day would be more like florescent. I just know it's a different kind of bright. We always bring those paint chips home to look at them in our own conditions because the light in the paint stores is always florescent. And it is funny how some paint dries darker and some lighter, and it usually looks different with a lot of it vs a small color card. Not that I paint a lot..... some people repaint every couple of years.

That reminds me of when our son and daughter in law painted their kitchen. She had picked out the colors, and they painted it, went to bed, and the next morning after daylight she walked into her kitchen, looked around, went back to the bedroom and announced that she hated it! Back to the paint store, and they repainted. Son told her "just this once".
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ImageSharon
Feb 14, 2016 3:56 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
When I find myself trying to think of Palmer's name I have to think about Alaska first. Sometimes my mind does weird things.

I wondered why you rushed away this morning, Mary. Usually your first post of the day is much longer. It's always good to eat breakfast out, it's one of my most favorite things to do. Eggs benedict is one of my breakfast favorites too.
ImageLarryR
Feb 14, 2016 4:05 PM CST
Name: Larry Rettig
South Amana, IA
Just got back from our dog walk. As I was coming through the garage to the front driveway, Brique started running down it at such great speed that he ripped the leash right out of my hand. The item of interest was a large truck just barreling past the driveway. I ran to the edge of the driveway and saw the sheriff come to a dead stop in the middle of the road. No explanation necessary on my part, because he saw the whole thing unfold. Brique was nowhere to be seen. Luckily, the sheriff saw that he headed east toward an open field. Just as I was about to chase after him, he appeared around southwest corner of the house and ran up to us on the driveway, trailing his leash. We scolded him pretty sternly, and he was duly contrite. What broke my heart was that while we were scolding him, he flinched and and went into a "don't hit me" posture. We didn't lift an arm or a finger. Somewhere in his past he had obviously been hit or even beaten.

The sheriff knows us quite well by now. Some of you may remember that Wilma once called him and told him we were growing the opium poppy. And then there was the whole unfortunate thing with Stan.

Stan continues to do well, with a few blips here and there. He even got to visit his girlfriend at her facility in Iowa City. His conservator told me that there have been several incidents, none of them very serious. In one instance, he was going to the kitchen every 10 minutes or so and asking if there was anything to eat. (I don't think he was able to remember his prior kitchen visits.) He was finally told he couldn't come to the kitchen anymore, which caused him to get quite angry.

His girlfriend's family is coming to Cedar Rapids to meet Stan. They will get together at the Olive Garden for dinner. His conservator will accompany him. I'm anxious to see how that goes

It has stopped snowing. The snow plow has rumbled past our house several times, and the street is starting to change from totally snow covered to wet and slushy.

Wilma and I did one last tour of Stan and Bonnie's home before it's emptied out. A company has been hired to box up all the stuff left in the house. It was a total mess, with piles of stuff all over the floors, on the remaining furniture, and in stacks of boxes. We rescued a few items, including a lovely cherry plant stand with beautiful inlays. As I recall, it was built by Stan's father.
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Imagenap
Feb 14, 2016 4:26 PM CST
Name: Nancy
Buffalo NY
With the comments about spelling accordion wrong, I had to backtrack and check my own spelling. I'm surprised I got it right!

Our basement has a couple of small rooms in the front of the house. The pipe which brings water into the house is in one of them. We don't use them because they get so cold, but freezing only becomes a problem when the temperature gets to Zero and below. In 7 years, our pipes only froze maybe 3 or 4 times. We have a heating cord designed to be wrapped around the pipe and plugged into an electrical outlet. That, plus a small heater pointing at the water meter does a good job of thawing the pipe in about 30-60 minutes. It only took about 30 minutes today, but when the pipe thawed out we found that there was a very small trickle of water seeping from the joint between 2 pipes. Our neighbor is a plumber so we called him. He said the metal had corroded so all we had to do was replace one portion of pipe. He fixed it in no time. I had to leave and Bill told him to talk to me about his fee. Haven't done that yet so I don't know how much it cost us. And Mary, only one of Lay's family members has problems (almost every year) with frozen pipes. His sister about 3 blocks from us. They live in an upstairs apartment and the water pipe runs up next to an outside wall. Not very good in this climate. She loses water in her kitchen almost every year. They were told to let the water trickle slowly from the faucet when it gets this cold, but they don't think about it until it's too late. This year the out-of-town landlord (slumlord) hired a different building manager and he brought over a small heater to place under the sink to thaw the pipe. Apparently it worked.

I had to leave the house before our water problem was solved because one of my Burmese friends had car problems. Dead battery. It's Lay's brother in law. Lay and I tried jumping it but it wouldn't work. The car is about 20 miles from home. I enrolled the guy in AAA so either they'll put in a new battery or tow the car home for him. But with these extreme temperatures, the wait time for help is about 6 hours! We left the car there and will wait for AAA to call us to say they are on their way. On the way home we stopped at a used car dealer and Lay's BIL picked out a new car. He got a good tax return just in time.

Mary, organizations like Catholic Charities and Journey's End and others go to the camps all over the world periodically and entice the people to come to America. They tell them they can get a job and have a better life. When Lay first heard about it, he talked to his parents and said he wanted to go. They told him no. They were afraid of America and Americans. They actually heard rumors that Americans eat refugees. Sounds crazy, but they believed it. The next time Lay attended a meeting about it, he told them he's going. He was 18 or 19 by then and he wasn't afraid. So he signed up with Catholic Charities. Next he had to obtain various documents and go through health checks, get immunizations, etc. The process takes many months. When he did all that, he was given assistance to get to Bangkok and put on the plane. His family stayed behind but there were a couple of others from the camp on the plane with him. None of them spoke English or had ever been on a plane. They were totally clueless and helpless until they got to Buffalo more than 24 hours later. Someone from Catholic Charities met them at the airport and took them to an apartment where they would be living. It would have been scary for me, but when I asked him if he was scared he said no. He said he'd been scared his whole life and had to learn a new way of living before, so he just did what he had to do to survive.

He was the first of his family to come here. A year or so later, a sister came. The next year another sister, then a cousin. Eventually 2 more cousins and a brother, and this year his parents and remaining siblings came. Each time, it was Lay and me and an agency caseworker who met them at the airport. It was Lay who taught them the ropes, with my help. His immediate family is here, but there are many aunts, uncles and cousins still at the camp. It's not likely any of them will come here because now they are talking about sending the refugees back to Burma. As early as next year. That's why we will definitely go back one more time. We were planning on a November trip, but just today Lay said he wants to go back sooner. Like April. We'll see. I have to think about it.

Mary, Mary, Mary.....you should know better by now than to ask me questions about my Burmese friends. I just don't know when to shut up. I just ramble on and on....... Whistling

And oh my goodness.......Eggs Benedict! My all time favorite eat-out breakfast! I love every bite of it. I always order it if it's on the menu. Only had it once that I didn't like it. A restaurant I usually love to eat at served it with cheese sauce instead of Hollandaise. I hadn't noticed that they bragged about their yummy cheese sauce in the menu. I wouldn't have ordered it if I'd been paying attention.

While I was spending so much time on this post, I see that Larry wrote about the episode with Brique. I was so sure you were going to tell us Brique was hit by a car. Thank goodness that wasn't the story!!
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ImageMuddymitts
Feb 14, 2016 5:03 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
Larry -- you might take the time to do some research on a particular dog collar made by a company named Sprenger. It's a training collar, only to be used with the dog on a leash. It is comprised of links, and has prongs on the inside of each link. Don't be horrified when you see a picture of it -- it looks wicked, but it isn't. My Panda did the same thing on a leash that Brique does -- she would take off running and hit the end of the leash at a dead run. When she did, she would fly around in a circle by her neck -- ending up facing me -- and then take off at a run again. Repeatedly. She would not respond to verbal entreaties to slow down or stop. Totally out of control. I ended up enrolling in obedience classes with her, and the instructor watched one class of my trying to deal with her -- and recommended this collar for her. I was reluctant, when I saw it, but decided that her opinion was what I was there for -- so went ahead and bought one. It was amazing -- just one time of hitting the end of the leash with that collar on -- and I had a cooperative, obedient dog on the other end of the leash. It did not harm her -- it just said *ahem, you need to pay attention to the human*. Several other dog owners in the class were also advised to use this collar -- they were mostly large dogs, like yours, who were used to making their own decisions. The trainer explained that many dogs are injured by the use of *soft* collars, or choker-chain collars because when they hit the end of the leash, it's the soft part of the throat that gets the blow. Dogs who are constant *pullers* on a leash are at the same risk. I was a little embarrassed that mine was the only small dog (14 lbs.) that needed a serious collar, but when I saw how quickly it made a difference, I was sold. On graduation night, Panda was announced the most improved dog in the class. And she never hit the end of that leash again -- even now, a year and a half later, I can use my preferred choker chain collar, and she's obedient and respectful of the leash.

As I said -- this isn't a collar that you put on your dog and leave it on -- this is a collar that you put on, with a leash, and go do your training work. And then take it off. You could practice in the house -- or in the garage -- before ever going for a walk with it on. Once the dog knows that this collar is different, you then have an opportunity to teach the dog what you want him to know: to never take off running, to not pull and strain at the end of the leash but to have manners and walk quietly beside you, to stop and sit when you need him to. You'll never have your dog break free of you and risk getting hit by a car. Or get in a fight with another dog. Or jump up on a person or a little kid. You'll never need to scold him and frighten him again.

Some dogs -- like my Panda -- are strong-headed. They need a little extra *leverage* in the training department. This is a simple, safe way to get that.

OK. I'll go and mind my own business now. Big Grin
Every day is a second chance. Every day is precious time.
ImageArleneB
Feb 14, 2016 5:08 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Nap, I don't know why you think you bore us with your stories of your Burmese friends. I know I enjoy reading every story you have. I am glad your leaky pipe wasn't a more involved problem. Frozen pipes are no fun. It is so cold there. And I'm complaining about our cold temps (in the 30s).

I thought the same thing Larry, that Brique got hit by a car. I am so glad that wasn't what happened. So sad about his stance when you scolded him. Interesting about Stan. It's good he is not your responsibility. I hope his trip to Olive Garden to meet his girlfriend's family goes well. I am glad you could rescue the table. And, I am so disappointed you didn't get to meet Palmer today. I know tomorrow is soon, but I'm looking forward to finding out if he "fits."

Sharon, your dogwood painting is coming along nicely. I hope you were able to paint by the light of the snow today. I can't believe you got that much snow. Hopefully the warmer weather will be here this week and it will go away quickly. I'm sorry about your bleeding arm. Hope it's much better now. I'm sure poor Sunshine was so scared of the thunder and probably so sad later to find out she made you bleed.

Mary, that sounds like a wonderful breakfast. Nice Valentine surprise. I'm not even sure where I could get eggs Benedict around here.

Lucy, I saw more crows this morning. Lots of them. And a cardinal! Yay! Some little brown birds but they were here and gone so fast I didn't get a chance to even observe what they were.

What cuties at four years old too Sally. Looks like Carly is a bit taller than Callun right now. That will probably change later. Do they hang together a lot?

Vic, I don't expect any snow or ice but possible rain tomorrow. It started at 100% and has gone down to 40%. I will be gone all day tomorrow so I don't really care if it rains, except I would like a light rain if possible.

Prayers to feel better for Oma and hoping Andi is okay. They both probably got hit with this cold and snow as well.

ImageMuddymitts
Feb 14, 2016 5:11 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
Nancy -- you have to give immigrants enormous credit for being brave enough to face all of those unknowns -- and to still do it. I'm not sure I could, if it were me. I can't believe that they were told that Americans eat people. OMG.

My grandmother immigrated to America when she was 17 years old. All by herself. Didn't speak English. Had no relatives waiting for her. Or a job. Just decided that America offered her more than Sweden did -- and came. She learned the language, she found work, and she saved up enough money to bring one brother over -- and then the other. It boggles my mind.
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ImageSharon
Feb 14, 2016 5:16 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
Very good info, MM, excellent in fact. Even now Sunshine can be frightened by a loud noise and she bolts, dragging me with her. Or she'l see another dog 6 miles away and she'll go after him. I have to be careful where I take her because she isn't good in unfamiliar territory, she wants to jump up or chase down or run in fear. I do not believe in using any kind of choke collar and I haven't been healthy enough to take her for very long walks this past year but I hope that will be behind me now and we will be able to try the walks again. So I'll check the collar out.

What works for one dog won't always work for another. I'm sure Sunshine and Brique might have been subjected to bad things in their distant past but whatever the reason for their running or pulling, I need something that doesn't hurt but that gives me more control. So thanks MM for one more thing to try. If I were stronger it wouldn't be such a problem, but strength isn't going to work its way into my body overnight.

My comma key is not working. Duh
ImageSharon
Feb 14, 2016 5:20 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
MM what a very very strong grandmother you had! Amazing.
ImageSharon
Feb 14, 2016 7:42 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
I don't really understand how the Sprenger collar works but I don't think I will try it unless something proves to me that it will cause no pain or discomfort.

I can't speak for any other dog around here but I won't let Sunshine be hurt any more by anything. I'm not feeling comfortable with what I am reading or seeing about it, MM. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing?
ImageMuddymitts
Feb 14, 2016 8:12 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
It can be not a bad thing, Sharon -- it can be simple exuberance! That's what Panda's issue was. She's never been abused or neglected or abandoned -- she just gets reeeeeeeel excited and stops thinking. Only way I can describe it. But that exuberance was going to cause some serious problems -- especially for her neck and throat. Or -- omigod -- if she got away from me, how would I stop her from running into the road? The collar put the brakes on all of that out-of-control exuberance and made her pay attention. And it only takes a time or two for the collar to actually come into use. After that, the minute that the collar goes on -- the dog knows that it's time to listen up. And it didn't just work for Panda -- it worked for every other dog in that class that needed one. I learned a lot by watching how the other dogs reacted, and by how their behavior changed for the good as well. These were mostly large adult dogs whose owners were at their wit's end, trying to control their dog. I suspect that for some of them, this was their last-ditch effort. I wondered how many of them would have ended up in an animal shelter if the obedience class didn't help them. I suspect it t happens a lot. And the bigger and stronger the dog -- the more likely. It's entirely possible that Brique was abandoned because of behavior issues with his previous owner. They may have simply been unable to handle him -- to hang on to him if he decided to leave. And gave up.

And I could be entirely wrong, of course. I myself was at a point where I did not know now to proceed with Panda. And she's only 14 lbs. -- but 14 lbs. of dog totally out of control is a problem. I'm so glad that I took that obedience class.

OK -- I'll stop preaching now. Smiling

Re: my grandmother. Yes she was, Sharon. A very, very strong woman.
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ImageMuddymitts
Feb 14, 2016 8:32 PM CST
Name: Mary Ann
Kentucky
Sharon -- I don't think that the Sprenger collar causes pain. It has no sharp points -- it cannot pierce the skin. What it does is apply pressure to the dog's neck -- but not in the way that an ordinary collar does -- not uniform pressure, which dogs seem to be able to tune out. It applies pressure to individual pressure points -- and raises their awareness level. Does that make sense?

I promise you that I would do nothing to hurt/frighten/injure my Panda. This collar did none of those things -- it just saved us months of aggravation and frustration and possible injury or maybe even a tragic accident.

As an aside -- I use clicker training on a daily basis for my horses. Clicker training is essentially operant conditioning -- like they use to train dolphins. My horses have the best manners that a horse can have. I believe in positive training, which is rewarding good behavior -- and not punishing the bad behavior. That Sprenger collar gives me time to reward Panda's good behavior -- because she's listening to me, instead of running to the end of her leash and spinning around. Does that make sense?

I don't want to beat this into the ground -- so I'll just stop there. Everyone has to find their truth for themselves. Group hug
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ImageSharon
Feb 14, 2016 8:43 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
Oh yeah, I agree the running and jumping for Sunshine is totally out of happiness. Happiest dog ever. But that carries over when she meets and greets people and when she finds that she is the center of attention. The problem is that I'm not physically strong enough to do anything physical with her. One of my not so good-- though she names herself one of my good -- friends . . . well she says I must force Sunshine into submission. Sure i will. I won't force Sunshine into anything, but I will help her to enjoy whatever is good for her. There will be no force but I have to find something that will help me teach her some self control.

My Comma is not working RATS!!!

Anyway, see what i mean? If Sunshine gets too excited and leaps into the air doing back flips, I'm supposed to wrestle her to the ground then sit on her whiIe I pound her into submission Kid you not that's what she says. So I meet her at the door and don't let her near Sunshine Of course she tells the other neighbors that I can't control Sunshine and that SS is a mean dog who's ready to bite the hand that feeds her. Most of the neighbors put this 'friend' on the same bottom foot stool level that I place her on but still she irks me. And most of my friends come on in and Sunshine calms down right away.

But it's the walks I want to take her on that are worrying me. It's been a year or more since I took her for a walk around the block or through the park. Around the house doesn't count. And I want to start walking with her again. We were getting to the point where she was becoming less excited when she saw people, but still she wanted to chase other dogs or squirrels. Then I had the major heart event and that stopped me in my tracks. I'm still not yet very strong but soon I want to try it again.

So are you telling me the collar will not hurt her? Or. Are you telling me it only hurts when she leaps? See, I want to know what it does to her before I can even think about getting it. I don't want her hurt. I'll put a danged saddle on her and ride before I'll hurt her. She is too good to me and there's got to be another way to teach her not to let her exuberance take over when she gets excited to see new people. The one time a year ago when she ran through the door was when the wind blew the door open and it freaked her so out she ran. She hid across the street till the neighbor walked her over to me. Then back in the summer she chased the monster out of the back yard at midnight and that time she broke through her harness but I wasn't on the other end, it was attached to her cable. So . . . to a lesser extent something similar happens when we have company depending on whether or not she knows who it is. Sam gets a walloping welcome, but Sam encourages it. You'd think they were two teenagers skipping school together or something. Not so much if another neighbor walks in. Not at all if it's Matt because I think Matt hurt her in some way. But strangers . . . I just never know. She might ignore them or she might leap up and kiss them right on the nose.

I dunno. I jus' dunno
Now the period isn't working
ImageSharon
Feb 14, 2016 8:48 PM CST
Name: Sharon
Kentucky
I was busy writing MM.

No, every one has to find what works best for the person as well as for the dog. Nothing to do with the truth. Has to do with what is best for the Mom and her dog. And just as I said early on, it isn't going to be the same for everyone.

What I had trouble seeing and still do . . . those wire thingies that look as if they poke into the neck. That's what looks so painful so I'm going to have to see and touch one before I will know. See??

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