Self-Watering Buckets forum: YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY about ROOT ROT EVER again.

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Jun 16, 2010 6:22 AM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11
COPIED from Dave's Garden. Jeff didn't know I did this, he wrote all this in March, 2004.

Heya friends.
The MAIN reason I came about that post was for a home made way of ending rootrot, the killing of plant pathogens(at that time) was just an extra bonus/side effect.

After having a HUGE plant in a HUGE pot that just came inside for winter, well my wife watered it just as we did when it was outdoors. With out the sun, it's impossible for a plant to absorb the same amounts of water. This was my Favorite ficus tree and the rootrot was soo bad, you could smell the stagnant/rotting smell when walking near the plant! That's bad!

I was able to grab the the trunk of the tree and the pot fell off revealing how bad the problems was. The pot was atleast 14 inches tall and the bottom 5 inches looked completely rotten. I tried flushing in w/o the water tray under it and that didn't work. I literally stumbled across Saffer's Liquid O2 and watered it w/ that. In 1 day, the odor was gone so I inspected the roots to find white for the most part.

Keep in mind I'm 1 of those guys who sees a product or say trellaces etc...I mentally think about how I can duplicate stuff for a fraction of the price. I used to be an iron worker and fabricator, I can't roll into a building w/o looking at the structure and figuring out how it was done.It drives my wife crazy because I always have to understand everything!LOL

Anyhow, I saw the ingredients on the Liquid O2 and a light bulb above my head lit up. Then my brain just kept dreaming up other ways to use H2O2. I found that when you use H2O2 added to water every time you water, YOU NEVER HAVE TO WORRY about ROOTROT EVER again. It's literally impossible to over water when using this stuff. I experimented more by placing a tall saucer under another plant and over filled the pot and left the saucer completly full of H2O2. This left the botttom 3-4 inches of the roots submerged, and I had a plant just like the submerged 1 and took care of it as anyone would normally. The submerged plant was able to absorb more oxygen while under water! HMMmmmm Well I explained it to a group of other grower's I had met online and we all played w/ it w/ excellent results no matter what/how we did it. This was6-7 years ago and now I'm seeing more and more products just like the stuff we were making! Copycats!LOL

I now know that using foodgrade H2O2 is great for cleaning anything you would normally clean w/ chlorine bleach or to sterilize hydro systems between crops. You can dilute the H2O2 to soo many different stregnths, you can use it everywhere safely.

You guys do wonders for me and my thoughts! When I get a pat on the back from someone(you guys), it just makes me want to do more and create more gadget's we can all use. Plus you save my poor wife from having to listen to all my ideas! LOL It's sad but true. She only cares about the end result's and wants it when she has a problem. She always comes to me after the fact complaining about a problem that I had already found a solution for and already told her about! LOL

I've also learned to make "Ozone Cannons" for oxidizing airborne pathogens etc. just as the H2O2 does underwater pretty much. That led to me making Ozone machines for under water use in ponds etc. for awesome water clarity and purity. If anyone would like more info on this stuff or has other ideas/problems, please let me know. I may already have the answer, if not, I'll atleast look into it to see if it's feasible to do/make.
Thanks for the ear friends and the compliments. It means more to me than you'll ever know! Sitting in this darn wheelchair leaves me w/o that feeling of accomplishment I was used to when working in the fabrication and iron working fields. It's a high in itself that I thrive on like adrenalin;).
Adios for now, JD
How to make your own liquid oxygen and plant "medicine".
Let me know what you all think.

Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) is a clear sharp smelling substance very similar in appearance to water (H2O). Like water it is made up of Hydrogen and Oxygen, however H2O2 has an extra Oxygen atom in an unstable arrangement. It is this extra atom that gives H2O2 its useful properties. H2O2 has been used for many purposes including cleaning, bleaching, sterilizing, rocket fuel, animal feed treatment and in addition many miraculous claims about its health benefits have been made. This article isn't about any of these; instead it will concentrate on horticultural applications. H2O2 is of great use for both hydroponics and dirt/soilless gardening.

1. What Does Hydrogen Peroxide do?
H2O2 is an unstable molecule, when it breaks down a single oxygen atom and a molecule of water is released. This oxygen atom is extremely reactive and will attach itself to either another O- atom forming a stable Oxygen molecule or attack a nearby organic molecule. Both the stable and O- forms will increase the level of dissolved oxygen. This is the method by which H2O2 is beneficial. Pretreating the water supply with H2O2 will drive out the Chlorine many cities use to sterilize it. This will also degrade any pesticides or herbicides that might be present as well as any other organic matter. Well water can be high in methane and organic sulfates, both of which H2O2 will remove. Many disease causing organisms and spores are killed by Oxygen, the free Oxygen H2O2 releases is extremely effective at this. H2O2 will help eliminate existing infections and will help prevent future ones. It is also useful for suppressing algae growth. The free Oxygen atom will destroy dead organic material (i.e, leaves roots) in the system preventing them from rotting and spreading diseases.

2.Over Watering
Roots require Oxygen to breathe and low levels are the main cause of almost all root diseases. Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome although it is rarely recognized as what it really is. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over watering." The real cause of both these problems is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone. In a soil system the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up what Oxygen is dissolved in the water, if they haven't drunk enough of the liquid to allow air back in to the soil spaces they will stop working. In this situation roots will start dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die the plants ability to drink water and nutrients will decrease, this will cause symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (mostly pale, slow, weak growth), and strangely they will start to wilt like they don't have enough water. It is easy to make a fatal mistake at this point and add more water.

In a Hydroponic system the cause is a more direct simple lack of oxygen in the solution, this may be from inadequate circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures also interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve in the water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. The same symptoms will appear as with soil plants but you can also check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish colour with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginnings of a serious problem. An organic dirtlike rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot they eat Oxygen out of the water, as Oxygen levels are even further depleted more roots die, a viscius circle may be well under way. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures both encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi. The plants may still be saved but you will have to work fast.

3. How Hydrogen Peroxide prevents root rot/overwatering.
When plants are watered with H2O2 it will break down and release Oxygen into the area around the roots. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic system H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.

4. How to use it.
H2O2 comes in several different strengths 3%, 5%, 8% and 35%, also sold as food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. The most economical is 35% which we recommend be diluted to three percent before using, as at this high concentration it can cause damage to skin and clothing. When working with food grade H2O2 it is very important that you clean up any spills or splashes immediately, it will damage almost anything very quickly. This is extra important with skin and clothing. Skin will be temporarily bleached pure white if not washed cleaned. Gloves are strongly recommended when working with any strong chemical.

Food grade H2O2 can be diluted to three percent by mixing it one part to eleven parts water (preferably distilled). The storage container should be opaque to prevent light from getting in and it must be able to hold some pressure. If three-liter pop bottles are available in your area they are ideal for mixing and storing H2O2. There are twelve quarter liters (250ml) in three liters, if you put in one quarter liter H2O2 and eleven quarter liters (250ml) water in the bottle it will full of three percent H2O2 and the bottle can hold the pressure that the H2O2 will generate. Three percent Hydrogen Peroxide may be added at up to three ml's per liter (2 12 tsp. Per gallon), but it is recommended that you start at a lower concentration and increase to full strength over a few weeks. Use every watering even on fresh cuttings. For hydroponics use every reservoir change and replace twenty-five percent (one quarter) every day. Example: In a 100L reservoir you would add three hundred ml's (3%) H2O2 when changing the nutrient. You would then add seventy-five ml's more every day.

5. Where to get it.
35% food grade: called food grade because it has no toxic impurities
Of course your local hydroponics retailer, whom you can locate over the web at Direct order off the web (there may be shipping restrictions on high strength peroxides). H2O2 is used to bleach hair so the local hairdresser may have a source. The local feed supplier may have it in small towns. Prices range from fifteen dollars per quarter liter to eighty dollars a gallon. One gallon will treat up to fifty thousand liters of water.

3%5%, 8%
Can be found at most drugstores or pharmacies, prices start at a less than a dollar for a one hundred-ml bottle that will treat one hundred liters.

6. What to do if you already have root rot.

In Dirt:
Use peroxided water with anti-fungicide (benomyl) and a high Phosphate fertilizer (9-45-15, 10-52-10, 0-60-0) for root growth. Root booster (5-15-5) or any other product with rooting hormone dissolved in it is helpful in regrowing roots and is strongly recommended. If a plant is wilty adding Nutri-Boost may save it. Water heavily until liquid pours out the bottom of the pot. This sound like bad idea, but it flushes out stagnant dead water and replaces it with fresh highly oxygenated water. Don't let plants sit in trays full of water, the soil will absorb this water and stay too wet. Don't water again until the pot feels light and the top inch or two of the soil are dry.

In Hydro:
Change your nutrients. Add H2O2 to the system. This will add oxygen and chemically eat dead roots. If roots are badly rotted and can be pulled away by hand you should pull them off. They are already dead and will only rot, causing further problems. Add a fungicide to kill any fungus that is probably present in the rotted tissue to prevent it from spreading. Root booster will speed recovery. If plants are wilty Nutri-Boost may help save them. Increase aeration of the water, get an airpump and air stones, or more of them, for the reservoir. An air stone under every plant is usually very effective, but will require a larger air pump. Models that will do from forty to four hundred stones are available. Decrease the reservoir temperature, oxygen dissolves better in cold water and disease causing organisms reproduce slower as well. A good temperate range is 62F to 65F; anything above 70F will eventually cause a problem. It is also a good idea to remove any wilty plants from the system and put them on a separate reservoir so they don't infect plants that are still healthy.

The key to big productive plants is a big healthy root system and Hydrogen Peroxide is a great way to keep your roots healthy. It is a must to ensure the biggest best crops possible and to increase the chances of your plants thriving to harvest. Peroxide users will rarely lose plants or crops to root disease and will harvest larger and more consistent crops.

MORE: O2 to the roots is a big concern, since the plant requires this for nutrients to be available, and to rid itself of toxins, etc. One of the easiest things to do is use food grade hydrogen peroxide in the water to increase the availability of oxygen in the water. H2O2 has an extra oxygen atom that will easily break away and can be used by the plant. Oxygen Plus is a plant food that contains 25% hydrogen peroxide and is perfect for this use.

This is a life saver for the advanced and rookie gardener's alike. I've used it in many applications and it's never let me down. Happy growing,

(Thanks! JLD_II)

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Jun 16, 2010 8:45 AM CST
Name: Linda
Zone 9a, Houston, Tx. (Hobby)
Godspeed & Good Harvest!
I'm not sure I'll be looking for food grad H2O2, but pretty sure I can get some at my local beauty shop.

Could you post a formula and instructions for those of us growing veggies in 5 gallon eBuckets? My water reservoir holds approximately 1.65 gallons of water. Should we top water or just add the formula to the reservoir? Since there's generally a full reservoir, should we add the H2O2 straight to the reservoir?

Also, could you speak on how the H2O2 might treat BER in tomato plants, or would it have any effect at all in this case?


Linda I tip my hat to you.
Jun 16, 2010 9:18 AM CST
Name: Melissa E. Keyes
St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands
Zone 11
Sorry! The post above has been edited to say that:

Jeff is not here, he wrote this in 2004, and I just found it, and blatantly copy/posted it here from DG. It was recently bounced to the top. His last post there was in 2007.

The whole thread is here:

But you have to be a member. I renewed my membership just before the fighting happened.

Maybe you can find out what you're asking if you google.

Again, very sorry for the confusion.

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