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Jan 24, 2013 4:49 PM CST
Hi Janet,

I can never find my pics when I post them on other peeps threads, so I've started one just for my oddities and I'd be glad if you would check my IDs when you have time, please, Janet.


First question... is it possible to tell if all these beetles are Lagria hirta? The first two were taken in July 2012, the third in Aug 2012.
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Thank you.
Jan 24, 2013 5:11 PM CST
Name: Janet
Near Lincoln UK
Hi Ginks! Your first two are Lagria hirta. The last one looks different, long antennae suggest Cerambycidae. I can't say for what it is, was it quite big? Those protrusions on the thorax are unusual.


Jan 25, 2013 4:01 AM CST
Hi Janet!

Thanks for getting back to me so soon. I tip my hat to you. I was about 99% sure about the first two, but just guessing about the third.

The third wee beastie was only on the window, the outside looking in, for a few seconds, and very high up. I took the pic with the zoom. I didn't have a clue what it was, didn't know it was a beetle until I looked at my camera screen. As for the size... it's all relative, ain't it, Darlin'?! It landed with a "clunk" which, being audible to me, either meant that it was wearing hob-nailed boots, a poor flyer/lander, or??? The leaf behind it is honeysuckle, the orange one, that flowered so well this year. I've never measured one of its leaves, but they're fairly big, so that makes the beetle quite small. While I was taking the pics I thought of Justin, the beetle/thing being such a weird/alien shape... Those long wings sticking out behind the body/wing cases, the feelers are a different shape to the other beetles and bugs I do know I have in my garden... it's very odd. I have a couple more shots of it, so I'll look at those to see if any other features are more obvious in them, also check out your link.

Young Kevin has just sorted out my back, my carer should be here in a while, and I saw TWO foxes last night. Maybe today will be a better day... for you too...
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Jan 25, 2013 4:08 AM CST
Back again...

The last pic in the link was very useful. The beetle that landed on my window wasn't as big as the Beast of Notts... Aromia moschata, although the feelers are a similar shape. I've had the other little beetle in my garden and am familiar with its shape and size. I'd say that my oddity was bigger than Rhagonycha fulva, but smaller than Aromia moschata. I'll check out others when I've had some brain food.

Jan 25, 2013 8:33 AM CST
Haven't got any further with my mystery beetle, except that I have had Pseudovadonia livida, hundreds of them, in my garden. IDed by TB, I think, not me.

Here are all four pics the best that I can get them... in the last couple, are those bits at the mouth end its eating apparatus, or has it caught something? I don't think we'll get much further on this one, Janet, we'll just have to call it Mystery Beetle #1! Hilarious!

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Jan 25, 2013 9:37 AM CST
Name: Janet
Near Lincoln UK
The wings are still outside the elytra, but the shape can be seen better.

You did post one Pseudovadonia livida here, the rest were Lagria hirta ..


The thorax on the above beetle looks very small, different to either and it does appear to heave spiky protrusions from the sides. It might take some tracking down without seeing the features properly. The bits off the mouth could be it's palps etc.
Jan 25, 2013 12:00 PM CST
Bless you, Janet, thanks for finding that post for me. I remember how excited I was when you IDed the Lagria hirta for me then... which is why I was pretty sure of these guys on this thread. I've got hundreds of pics of the P. l too, there was a population explosion of them in my garden in 2011, but I don't think I saw any last year. I wonder what happened to them??? Mind you, I wasn't out there much, was I? The only other beetle I IDed was Oedemera nobilis, but they're nothing like this guy.

I agree about the strange shape of Mystery Beetle. Those protrusions remind me of the garments worn by Japanese Samuri... I think that's what I mean. Do YOU know what I mean? Rolling on the floor laughing Palps, that's the word for which I was groping.


That's it, Janet we need a site for "ID by silhouette and underside!" Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Don't fret about this one, but we'll keep it in the backs of out minds...
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Mar 3, 2013 1:15 PM CST
I've got a wee beastie that has been lurking in a Moth folder, but I don't think it's a moth... I don't know what the heck it is...

I saw it in June 2011 and July 2012...
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I bet YOU know what it is... Hilarious!

Of course Janet knows: A CADDISFLY, probably Limnephilus lunatus THANK YOU XXX
Mar 3, 2013 1:26 PM CST
Name: Janet
Near Lincoln UK
Yes! Big Grin

It's a Caddisfly, I can't see the moon shape on the wing end but the pattern suggests Limnephilus lunatus.

Mar 3, 2013 4:36 PM CST
Oh blast! The caddis flies are right after the moths in Collins and I've looked at them loads of times, even turning the book upside down, thinking... it can't be... the book says they live by water... my back drain CAN'T have enough water in it... what would a caddis fly be doing in my back garden??? Well, kitchen, hall... Shrug!

Thanks Janet. Big Grin
Mar 3, 2013 7:02 PM CST
Name: Janet
Near Lincoln UK
There's probably other water nearby? They have wings, and I think some live in muddy conditions. Hilarious!
Mar 4, 2013 2:22 AM CST
There is a stream running along the Parish Boundary... in the limited remains of an ancient hedgerow... which is at the bottom of the garden belonging to the people upstairs.

There's also a big muddy patch under the window where I feed the foxes! Rolling on the floor laughing
Apr 13, 2013 3:40 AM CST
This is my first outdoor "bug" of the year. I found it on the box/daffys on the verandah. It looked as if it was newly emerged and washing itself. I assume it's a female fly of some sort. I wonder if that red body will stay that colour... It has amazing spines on its legs!
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The photos were taken at about three o'clock on 10th April, 2013.
Do you know what it is, please, Janet?
Apr 13, 2013 5:38 AM CST
Name: Janet
Near Lincoln UK
Nice one! It's in the family Scathophagidae, could be Norellisoma spinimanum or Norellia spinipes, I'm leaning towards the latter.


You can use the dipterists forum here to find out which species we have, I search for genus only as it often doesn't work using species as well, then you can click on an entry with the genus name to find all the species. To get the whole family you can then use one of the links above.





I'm not sure if I got mine correct or muddled, I know I put one of them on the diptera.info forum and it was a maybe. Hilarious!
Apr 13, 2013 2:24 PM CST
Thanks for the links and possible ID, Janet.
I'm inclined towards Norellia spinipes too, partly because of its (female) body shape, and partly because I found it on narcissus.

I really like your photos... they make me think that I may have seen this fly before... I seem to remember a folder marked "red-eyed fly!" Will investigate...

dipteristsforum tells me that I'm "not logged in" and I can't get anywhere but the lists. Do I have to join the forum?

It's such a long time since I went on diptera.info that I'm not sure I can remember how to do it! Looking at the galleries is OK, but starting a new thread for an ID... my poor brain...

This chap is very reliable when it comes to IDs and tagging... and his photos are good.

Got another fly and a millipede today... on the verandah...
Apr 13, 2013 3:34 PM CST
Name: Janet
Near Lincoln UK
I don't know what's happening with you not being logged in Ginks, I can view any of it without logging in. Try clearing you footprints maybe? The home page ..


I see Narcissus is the host plant to N. spinipes, I hadn't ever got that far, it was hard enough searching for these things on diptera.info in the early days! Hilarious!


Lord V posted on WAB in the days I was there to get IDs, he uses expensive equipment and stacks his photos to get those results. He does put a lot of time into his hobby with great results! He uses a Canon MPE-65 lens which gives very high magnification but you usually need to use rail to mount it on, photos are taken in very small stages by moving it very small distances then the photos are stacked. I think Brian managed to use it hand held, I found he has his own site ..


His setup .. note that he doesn't like to harm his subjects.


Apr 13, 2013 6:51 PM CST
Arrrrgh! Cubits just ate my reply! Grrrr! Never mind, I'll come back to that later...

Today's haul... A millipede was lurking behind a tub on the verandah, but I got it before it disappeared!
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There was a rather dopey fly on the inside of the window and as it hadn't gone by the time I was ready to come in, I helped it outside. It was small and mostly black, and I'm sure I've asked you about this one before. Big Grin
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Right, better sort me special boid out... and then go to bed... again...
Apr 14, 2013 5:33 AM CST
Name: Janet
Near Lincoln UK
Nice shots Ginks! I would say the millipede is Cylindroiulus caeruleocinctus, I'm not sure if there are similar species but bioimages is a good resource ..



The fly is like one I had in May 2011, I'll bet my bottom dollar it's Tachinidae, Triarthria setipennis with antennae like that.



Apr 14, 2013 11:05 AM CST
Thanks for the IDs, Janet.

I'll explore bioimages later, I'm a bit cross-eyed with a migraine at the moment. I hadn't realised that milipedes had so many different shades of brown on them. They're quite smart-looking, as well as being smart-engineering, aren't they?

As for the fly probably being a Tachinidae... well, you can imagine how excited I am about that... I wondered about the antennae... hasn't this species got a cute little face? A bit teddy-bearish?! Your photos are super. I think my fly has found its way indoors again, I'll look out for it and try a few more shots. I have masses of woodlice, but not indoors as far as I know... daft fly...

Hope you've had a good day. It's been sunny but very windy here. P was a no-show, but as I'm feeling very groggy... Still really worried about the garden though. Squeak later. Squeak... ha! I'm still giggling about the mouse in his white underpants...
Apr 15, 2013 6:30 PM CST
Hi Janet! I can't sleep... so thought I'd do some work...

Is this very small and wriggly beastie Ichneumonidae? It was on the lower part of the glass door, then low down on the long curtain. These are the only three shots I have of it, so I don't really expect an ID. I feel a bit rusty when it comes to bugs, I seem to have forgotten everything I ever knew about them!
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Onwards and upwards...

According to Red Leader: A SAWFLY, possibly Tenthredinidae THANK YOU X

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