Cubit MEMBER issues forum: How to let your voice be heard by IB

 
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ImageBlissfulGarden
May 28, 2010 12:57 PM CST
Name: Evey Blalock
South Louisiana / Zone 8b

Hello fellow Cubit AND DG lovers,

When DG was growing, many of us lovingly contributed to the community. We spent countless hours uploading our photos to share with fellow gardeners in the Plant Files. Through their recent actions, it is apparent that IB is not much on sharing. Well, when we contributed to the PlantFiles database, we did NOT give our copyright to any other entity. In fact, we still own the copyright for our contributions and we can request that our photos that have been posted to Plant Files be removed. I do plan to retain my membership with DG. In fact, I also paid an advertising fee for my business there that runs for almost another year. I will continue to frequent the forums there and maintain my personal gardening journal. These are things that I still enjoy, even if I'm not a fan of IB. HOWEVER, I'm no longer willing to let my hard work (in the form of my personal plant photos) contribute to IB's public internet presence and profits. I have written to request that my contributions to PlantFiles be deleted immediately.

If you feel that you have personally been damaged by IB through their recent actions (as I have), you might consider doing the same.

Evey
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ImageJoy
May 28, 2010 1:02 PM CST
Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. Zone 8b
Evey, They won't delete your pictures. This was brought up many times sense the sale, and they claim they can't.

"Spring is Nature's Way of Saying, 'Let's Party!'" - Robin Williams
ImageBlissfulGarden
May 28, 2010 1:05 PM CST
Name: Evey Blalock
South Louisiana / Zone 8b

Terry posted that we could request that our personal contributions be deleted. WE retained the copyright to our own work per the Terms of Use. What reason did they give for not being able to delete the photos? You cannot personally delete the photos, but they can be deleted by request to administration. If this is not the case, then I would think a class action lawsuit regarding a violation of the terms of use when the photos were contributed would be in order.
Imagekathysflowerpatch
May 28, 2010 1:08 PM CST
Name: Kathy
Southcentral PA.
Evey
Contact Terry, let it be known you are very serious. Good luck!
ImageJoy
May 28, 2010 1:10 PM CST
Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. Zone 8b
Maybe they've changed their tune? I wasn't aware that Terry had said that. Thank you.

Joy
"Spring is Nature's Way of Saying, 'Let's Party!'" - Robin Williams
ImageBlissfulGarden
May 28, 2010 1:11 PM CST
Name: Evey Blalock
South Louisiana / Zone 8b

Here's the post where she stated the policy:
http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/p.php?pid=7547389
ImageJoy
May 28, 2010 1:16 PM CST
Name: Joy Wooldridge
Kalama, Wa. Zone 8b
Yes, I remember seeing that. But every time someone has asked to have their photos (All of Them) removed it was met with 'We can't do that'.
"Spring is Nature's Way of Saying, 'Let's Party!'" - Robin Williams
bloomheaven
May 28, 2010 1:20 PM CST
Blissfulgarden, have you received a reply to your request for their removal? I wondered if they were complying.
ImageBlissfulGarden
May 28, 2010 1:25 PM CST
Name: Evey Blalock
South Louisiana / Zone 8b

I just made my request, so I have not yet received a response from Terry. The terms of use were provided at time of photo contribution... and then a representative of IB (Terry) notified us that we COULD have our photos removed by an administrator if we so chose. The new terms of use were just posted in "draft" form just last week... so IB cannot claim we received adequate notice of their intent not to release photos (via deletion) to individual photographers and contributors (if that is indeed their new policy). I would suggest everybody interested in this topic save the current thread to your hard drive today (so we have independent copies of the posted information). Here's a link to the entire thread, which also includes the dates information has been posted: http://davesgarden.com/community/forums/t/1074814/

We can revisit this topic over in the Yahoo group if/when Cubits shuts down.
Imagestarlight1153
May 28, 2010 1:54 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Evey.... Wat is to stop them from taking photos posted in the forum, do those belong to them to us e too?

I know if ya goofed they would take down a photo but not sure they would go back through every file in the database and delete out one by one for a member. For your sake and your request I hope they follow up on your request.
ImageBlissfulGarden
May 28, 2010 2:16 PM CST
Name: Evey Blalock
South Louisiana / Zone 8b

Ella, I don't know about ones posted in the forums. But, I can't imagine they would troll through all of the individual posts looking for photos. Zuzu had the right idea when she just posted rose parades and not too much in the plant files. All of us got to enjoy her photos, but they weren't there for easy access for vendors to steal at will. I've seen quite a few of my rose photos end up on vendor sites and on eBay and it's pretty irritating.
ImageBlissfulGarden
May 28, 2010 3:18 PM CST
Name: Evey Blalock
South Louisiana / Zone 8b

Okay, Terry just wrote back... she says it is a time issue that prevents them from deleting the entries at member request. With only two administrators working on those files, it would be time-prohibitive to delete them all for members who now make the request. I think perhaps this needs to be referred to an attorney, since we were ASSURED that we could simply ask an administrator to delete our own images if we so chose in the future. Many people made their contributions based on those assurances, so it's reasonable to expect the administration to live up to those promises.

If anybody who has posted a large number of contributions to PlantFiles is like-minded, we should start a discussion about this over at Yahoo. We would need to coordinate our efforts to make a difference.
Imagekathysflowerpatch
May 28, 2010 4:12 PM CST
Name: Kathy
Southcentral PA.
Now that just beats it all! Time issue Huh? What do they exactly do with their time? I bet it is not that hard to delete them off or time consuming!!!!!!!!! B S
weeds
May 28, 2010 4:25 PM CST
I think that would be a great thing....everybody demand their pictures from plantfiles be deleted......talk about class action!
ImageZanymuse
May 28, 2010 4:31 PM CST
Name: Brenda Essig
Rio Dell, CA
My few pictures were added very early in the start up of the database and were of very poor quality for the most part...if they haven't already deleted them they should have! It would be funny if those poor examples were all they were left with Rolling on the floor laughing
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Imagekathysflowerpatch
May 28, 2010 4:34 PM CST
Name: Kathy
Southcentral PA.
oh that is just plain evil Zanymuse Thumbs up Thumbs up Rolling on the floor laughing

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ultimateshopper
May 28, 2010 4:56 PM CST
Name: Ultimateshopper
Tulsa, OK
Tell them you will file legal action against them if they don't remove your photos within a reasonable time - e.g. 30 days (even if you don't intend to hire an attorney)...
Imagegardener2005
May 28, 2010 4:59 PM CST
Name: Karen
Zone 8b
Edited: Because I wanted to.
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ImageKatg
May 28, 2010 5:13 PM CST
Name: Kathy Guagliano
Port Charlotte Florida
I actually have to say that I contributed to Plant-files to be able to share beautiful photo's with gardeners like myself who wanted to be educated and had no idea what some plant's may look like at different stages of maturity, etc..

I will not request that my photo's would be pulled as I would just be hurting somebody like myself who was seeking out a little information and having her anticipation grow in leaps and bounds when looking at some of those beautiful photo's!
Imagegardener2005
May 28, 2010 5:28 PM CST
Name: Karen
Zone 8b
I`m mad right now so I`m not presently having warm fuzzy thoughts about the plant files or anything concerning IB. I`m going to say bye/bye before the plug gets pulled and I can`t come back.

Smiling

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