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Imagehonnat
Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
So I think I'm done with my purchasing for the year; but something is bugging me. I have a couple of new oranges that I'm excited to try; and would love to see them next to a deep purple. True purple - like the "Purple Joy" that I can't find anywhere or like Thomas Edison that doesn't have the greatest form (in my opinion).
What other dahlias do you grow that reliably have that nice deep purple color. I noticed Ivanetti at Dan's site has the color I'm talking about http://www.dansdahlias.com/product_details.php?item_id=168
But somtimes it also looks like this: http://lobaughsdahlias.com/catalog/view/Ivanetti with more of a pink/red that I'm not looking for.
Any ideas?
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Imageedewitt
Jan 16, 2012 2:42 PM CST
Name: Eric DeWitt
Boise, Idaho
You might want to look at these Diva, Formby Kaitlyn, Hollyhill Joy (only Hollyhill has it and they're out of stock), AC Charlotte, Camano Concord, Clearview Erin. Although it seems like the shades of purple vary between each picture of the blooms. Hollyhill Joy would probably be the closest to what you're looking for, but Diva might also work.

Nadine Jessie, Boogie Nights, and Taboo also look like a pretty deep purple. I grew Purplicious and it's quite a bright bloom but a very striking purple tone.

On second thought Purplicious isn't anywhere near what you were looking for.
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Imagetodgor
Jan 16, 2012 3:06 PM CST
Name: Tod Gordon
West Caldwell, NJ
Purple with a capital "P"?

Purple Taiheiyo
http://www.dahlias.com/purpletaiheijo-item140.aspx

Hilltop Ivan:
http://www.cgdahlias.com/hilltop_ivan.html
Imagehonnat
Jan 16, 2012 3:07 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
Thanks! I am already planning on Formby Kaitlyn for 2012. I understand that it can be pretty late - so I ordered it from CG because they do plants. Maybe the extra early start they give it will help with my short MN growing season. Diva and Boogie Nites look nice.
I'm also thinking about Hollyhill Purely Purple. That was on the head table at a MN show this year and looked great.
Imagehonnat
Jan 16, 2012 3:09 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
Ooooo.. Hilltop Ivan might be the answer! I already have an order with CG so I wouldn't have to pay extra shipping. And I wanted to add another ball. Why didn't I notice that????
ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jan 16, 2012 4:43 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
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I googled Hilltop Ivan before noticing Todgor's link. The color didn't look the same as the Corralitos link. Could be a difference of where the variety is raised. Sharky is a bi-color and is hearty, colorful, and puts out lots of tubers. Jennifer's Wedding is also a very nice purple (there she goes with lascinated dahlias again!)
ImageMaryNZ
Jan 16, 2012 5:15 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

Purples are notoriously difficult to photograph with true colour. It's a pity more flowers are not described in terms of colour guide systems like this: http://www.dahlia.org/index.php?mact=Products,cntnt01,detail...
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Imagetodgor
Jan 16, 2012 5:15 PM CST
Name: Tod Gordon
West Caldwell, NJ
I found Hilltop Ivan to be even more purple that the pic, but its hard to capture that color. I ended up shooting it in a mode that looks darker just to get it more correct.

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ImageMaryNZ
Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

A tip from the Iris cubit on photographing purples (that I have yet to try) is to have both camera and flower in shade, but to have a bright area somewhere in the background. Apart from that, they say Canon cameras are not too bad with purples. Threads on that can be found starting at http://cubits.org/irisforum/thread/view/65802/

That Hilltop Ivan looks amazing, Todgor!
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ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jan 16, 2012 5:20 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
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THAT:S a nice purple! I like the idea of the color guides, but I could get a lot of tubers for the price.
ImageMaryNZ
Jan 16, 2012 7:07 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

Yes, but if the growers and sellers used them, and the charts were on display on the ADS website with a disclaimer about colours looking different on different screens, you could compare the colours of Dahlias for sale with those of Dahlias you are familiar with - you could figure out that it Dahlia A (for sale) was a bit darker and a bit redder than Dahlia B (in your garden already), because their listed colours were both on vendors information, for exapmple. I think with Dahlias, vendors would need to list a range of colours, because they change a bit through the season, but it would still be helpful.
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ImageMaryNZ
Jan 16, 2012 7:08 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

Magic wand required to persuade everyone, of course!
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ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jan 16, 2012 9:38 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
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But . . .$60 for a few printouts of colors does seem kind of stiff. If they were $25, I'd be persuadable.
Imagehonnat
Jan 16, 2012 10:01 PM CST
St. Paul, MN
$60 is expensive. ADS is generally reasonable with prices; so I'm not sure why the price is so high for that.

I have used the color guide in a round about sort of way. The ADS handbook has color numbers next to some of the entries. For example - Formby Kaitlyn is a P26. So if I know that Formby Katilyn is the type of purple I'm trying to get - I can just look for others with P26 (like Hilltop Ivan). It looks like the color gets darker as the number increases. So a dahlia like Hollyhill purely purple (P29) or "Jessie G" is the answer?

The real issue is that dahlias do vary according to temps, sunlight and other factors. So then one needs to find a dahlia that looks like the color you want in all the photos online......

Can't wait until I can stop looking at online photos and go outside to see a purple dahlia!!
ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jan 16, 2012 10:54 PM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
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Me too! I don't expect to even be able to plant until May, and last year the first of May turned into about the 3rd week. But it's wonderful having Mary here with us, reminding us of summer. Thumbs up

I like the idea of how you use the color guide! I may try that.
ImageMaryNZ
Jan 16, 2012 11:13 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

Honnat, that's exactly the kind of round about way I had in mind for using it.
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ImageMaryNZ
Jan 16, 2012 11:16 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

And thank you Phyllis. A lot of people don't think we're having much of a summer, with so much rain until the last couple of days, but it has been pretty good from a gardening point of view.
My photos are licensed CC BY (Attribution). More Dahlia photos here.
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ImageRedmondPhyllis
Jan 17, 2012 10:41 AM CST
Name: Phyllis Stengl
Sequim, WA
Deer are beautiful if they don't e
You are having a lot more of a summer than we are! During your next winter, you can enjoy our blooms!
ImageMaryNZ
Jan 17, 2012 12:48 PM CST
Name: Mary St George
New Zealand

I shall :)
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Imageteddahlia
Jan 29, 2012 4:28 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
How interesting to have a forum on purple dahlias. Our Hollyhill Purple got it's name because we thought it was a nice deep purple. In order to get a really nice purple dahlia, it has to have some blue in the pigment. If it has very little blue, it becomes what I call a "maroon" purple. There are lots of these maroon purples out there. Purely Purple is a seedling of Barbarry Bluebird and it is the same color as Purely Purple. The color charts were put together many years ago and the color names need to be redone. Certainly the chips are all the same color from chart to chart but some of the names of the colors are wrong. I wish that a person trained in the scientific method would conduct a study by showing the individual color chips to unbiased people and ask them them to identify the color. The results would be more representative of our modern definitions of color.
“Flowers are like friends; They bring color to your world.” – Unknown

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