Discussion of Colors, Forms or Varieties forum: Purple
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| For the blue purple admirers, there is nothing more blue purple than Seabeck's Hilda and maybe they will start selling it this year but I doubt it. I know that Dan Pearson has seen it and admired it and may sell it in the future. Meanwhile, if you like a blue purple there is not a more blue purple than the old Thomas Edison. We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden. |
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todgor wrote:Purplicious Pretty good! SHOW ME YOUR CRITTERS! http://cubits.org/crittergarden/thread/view/73275/ |
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I really like the color of Thomas Edison we've seen it several times . Going back through the photos of our Dahlia Hill Trip I found a pic of Camano Concord , it must have stood out to me there . |
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| Critter, Jennifer's Wedding is a nice purple, but I don't plan on growing it again as I found that it blows its center every time when fully mature for me. For folks growing dahlias casually, that trait would be considered a bonus, but it just makes me cringe. Perhaps it doesn't do that for other regions, or perhaps it is my stock. Comments on this, Jennifer's Wedding growers?  As for the group buy, I wish you luck, but there is nothing on the list that comes close to enticing me. It looks a bit overpriced for those varieties in a quantity buy, too. Might be better as a flash sale in April/May when most vendors are trying to dump extra stock and would be willing to cut a deal with you. Right now is just the start of prime buying time from dahlia vendors, and they want to get top dollar for their work all year. CC |
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| Totally agree, CC. I have NEVER Had a nice Jennifers Wedding and I tried it at least 3 times. Those all look like old 'has beens' and Dutch imports. But we all started somewhere and I had a lot of dahlias that make me cringe today. So, you have some starter dahlias..you should have color, and you will learn as you go. Stand by for when our trading starts in earnest and see what you can pick up here... Probably nicer then those on that list. And usually Very prolific ones which is why we have some to trade  Its exciting to see someone else getting into dahlias, but we would like to help you get to real satisfaction sooner.... Salish Dahlias |
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| Several years ago there was a website that kept track of the most popular dahlia color. Purple won by a large margin. As a dahlia breeder, it pays to keep every purple seedling as there seems to be a market even for marginal purple flowers. There are not a lot of purple seedlings and a lot has been written on why that is but I will not go into that again. And there are a lot of rather poor examples of purple flowers released just because they are purple. And many of the so called purple flowers are really so close to dark red that to call them purple is a misnomer. In order to get that really purple color there has to be some blue pigment and that is very rare in dahlias. Thomas Edison is one of the few that has the blue pigment and it is a rather poor representative of a dahlia otherwise, probably because it was bred about 90 years ago. We would not use it in our breeding program because of all the other things that are wrong with it: poor stems, notched petals, lack of vigor and probably lots of other things. So there is a short list of really nice purple dahlias and huge demand for good ones. We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden. |
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| Critter, here are a list of my favorite purples...ones that I have found satisfactory over the years. Not all are GREAT flowers but they are at least "Pretty good" or have very nice colors and substance for bouquet making. My Favorite Blues- purples from Swan Island Dahlias Diva Bluetiful Ted's Choice- Fremont's Memory. Dark Magic Ted's Choice Hollyhill Joy-HH (Hollyhill Dahlias) Hollyhill Purely Purple-HH Hollyhill Regal.HH Robann Royal (bluish lavender) Worton Blue Streak an older bb with a nice blue shade for a dahlia Waterlily Dahlias HH Leda (soft lavender), fabulous flower (HH), grows tall! Birch Bay Dahlias Sandia Shomei (WL). . Sandia Melody (WL) soft blend with lavender and cream Kari Blue WL..a bit weak but pretty flowers in a nice bluish shade Sandia Melody Ferncliff Midnight Scotts Jeannette B..intense purple small incurved cactus... Irish Gem-purple mball Brian R..Like a huge lavender ball... Camano Concord, incurved cactus in a purple that doesn't fade HH Renoir..similar but smaller If I recall right, you are in a hot sunny location. You might have trouble with purples fading and petals drooping. Camano Concord or HH Renoir would be some of the best to try. ..Also Hollyhill Regal. At least they have never faded in bright sunshine here. I think these will live up to the promise much better then some others. All I can say is that I LIKE THESE. THey work well for me! Salish Dahlias |
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 Wyn's Feisty Freda has been a good purple for me ( it photographs a little more to the red side than it appears in person ) |
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| Formby Kaitlyn is my favorite purple flower. It has superb form for a large dahlia and would win in the shows no matter what color it was. And it is an excellent shade of purple that has some blue in it and people do not mistake it for maroon purple or dark red. Margaret has put it in arrangements and the general public(and the judges too) goes crazy for it. If you have not grown it, you are really missing out. And I have no tubers for sale or trade. It does make some tubers and they do not store well although sometimes they do. If you have it, be sure to take care of the tubers and perhaps make some pot tubers to be sure. We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden. |
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| Thanks for the list, Islander! I'll go through it after I have my internet service back at home - I'm at the library now. They've dispatched someone to my house "by 9PM" today, so cross your fingers. I had to break out the crossword puzzles on the couch (usually reserved for waiting rooms) because I couldn't sit with my laptop this weekend and yesterday.  climbing the walls!SHOW ME YOUR CRITTERS! http://cubits.org/crittergarden/thread/view/73275/ |
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| Ted - How do you rate Hollyhill Bill M in the world of purple? The pics look like a darkish lavender, and not one that is sometimes mistaken for a pink (like some "lavenders") Something about it said Buy Me, when I was shopping your site, so I have one coming in the spring. |
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| Formby Kaitlyn tubers didn't come up for me this year. When I hear of dahlias that do not store well; they don't rot in storage for me; but they do rot if we have a wet spring at planting time. Purely Purple did that, and I believe that's what happened to my Formby Kaitlyn tubers too. It's not an easy one to replace as it seems to have been taken off of many catalog lists over the years. |
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HH Purely Purple is my first casualty this storage season...was culling it anyway, but hate to lose varieties during storage.  CC |
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| I always thought Bill M. was lavender but the ADS says dark pink. Most people that are not dahlia people would say light purple. They do not call many things lavender and probably never thought that lavender was anything but an aromatic plant. We need to do some reality checking on our dahlia color names and try to use the same names for color that the average person uses. We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden. |
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| " Most people that are not dahlia people would say light purple. They do not call many things lavender and probably never thought that lavender was anything but an aromatic plant." hmm…….you must hang with gardeners, not artists. Most people in my world know the color lavender, but don't know that it's a plant. But we probably all grew up with the big box of crayons  |
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| When you study the science of color names there is a core of of color names that people use: From Wikipeadia: Today every natural language that has words for colors is considered to have from two to twelve basic color terms. All other colors are considered by most speakers of that language to be variants of these basic color terms. English contains the twelve basic color terms: "black", "white", "red", "green", "yellow", "blue", "cyan", "brown", "orange", "pink", "purple", and "gray/grey". Italian and Russian have twelve, distinguishing blue and azure. That doesn't mean English speakers cannot describe the difference of the two colors, of course; however, in English, azure is not a basic color term because one can say bright sky blue instead, while pink is basic because speakers do not say light red. You will notice that lavender and bronze are not in the 12 color name list. If the same scientific method was applied to gardeners, maybe lavender would be present but I doubt that bronze would show up. Gold would be much more appropriate if you had to have a color. We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden. |
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Interesting that red mixed with white is pink but that there are not names for the other colors mixed with white. It seems like if we have red/pink we should have purple/lavender. The others, well, I guess with dahlias we just don't worry about blue names or green ones, and yellow is pretty much yellow unless it is mixed with brown to become mustard or bronze (gold). but mustard and bronze are not the same either. I think of bronze as having some pink or red in it and mustard as having some brown in jt. And mustard is NOT my favorite dahlia color  I must say that someone who wants lavender flowers for a wedding doesn't really want more then a touch of deep purple and vice versa. If they did they would probably order purple rather then lavender. Salish Dahlias |
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| Lime green is white mixed with green. Robins egg blue is white with blue. One might say that cream is yellow mixed with white. Apparently pink is so important to us Americans that it gets it's own appellation. In Japan they did not have a word for green( should my kid if that is still true). Names of colors are very different in different countries. Our dahlia colors came from the United Kingdom where they have strange ideas about many colors, one of them being pink. We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden. |
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| Interesting that in the world of flowers pink does not usually shade into red but into magenta, about halfway between red and purple, as I see it. I do not hear judges struggling to decide whether a dahlia is red or pink, but I hear a lot about pink vs lavender, and red vs dark pink vs purple. The color pink is named after the flower (aka dianthus), and in most languages is thought of as rose. Orange originally referred to the fruit, and only in the 16th century did it begin to be used in English to refer to a color. Before that it was "yellow-red" or just a variation of yellow or red. I don't hear or use the word cyan unless I am buying printer ink or working with photoshop. |
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| When you study the Color Wheel, the word purple isn't used. They use violet, red violet, and blue violet. Which again is a word derived from a flower. from Wikapedia: The word 'purple' comes from the Old English word purpul which derives from the Latin purpura, in turn from the Greek ποÏφÏÏα (porphura),[5] name of the Tyrian purple dye manufactured in classical antiquity from a mucus secreted by the spiny dye-murex snail.[6][7] The first recorded use of the word 'purple' in the English language was in the year 975 AD.[8] In heraldry, the word purpure is used for purple.[9] Now I will always think of purple as snail snot.  |
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