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Imageteddahlia
Dec 25, 2015 9:35 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Cute colors and if it has lots of good cut flower traits, it may be a good one for cut flowers. Specifically, vigorous plants that are about 4 feet tall, lots of flowers, good stems, non-fading blooms, and finally, lots of good sized easy to keep tubers. And the most important trait of all: it must look good in a bouquet. I personally like it's good looks and wonder what the cut flower growers would say about it? Then it needs a catchy name that is easy to remember.
Too many flowers, not enough time!
ImageBenny101
Dec 25, 2015 10:23 AM CST
Greenville MI - zone 5b
I debated on keeping it but the colors were pretty and it has excellent parentage , The seed parent is a WL so it has little depth but is darn cute in a vase even though it is a bee cross I have a very good guess at the pollen parent .
My notes are brief and state a 4.5" bloom on a 4' plant . It muscled its way to blooming in a very crowded section of the seedling parch , I have a couple of small isolated places I can grow a couple of things like this without interfering with our program .
Imageteddahlia
Dec 25, 2015 11:17 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
The cut flower people are always saying why don't you breed more cut flowers. I have found that breeding cut flowers is a bit tougher than breeding the average show flower. The traits that are necessary for cut flowers are sometime difficult to achieve. Vigor is a minor issue for show flowers but it is essential for cut flowers. Long, nice stems are required for cut flowers but show flowers need only have an average length of stem. Cut flowers need to be floriferous and show flowers need only a few nice flowers to succeed. Show flowers can have blossoms that fade easily while cut flowers cannot. Tuber production for show flowers can be meager but cut flower people do not have the time to deal with low tuber production.

Breeding cut flowers is probably a bit of a misnomer as most of us just evaluate our show seedlings for cut flower characteristics. That is probably why I have a difficult time with the cut flowers. We are starting to breed specifically for some cut flowers and have been planting some seeds from our most successful cut flower, HH Black Beauty. It has all of the cut flower attributes in spades and does make seeds. Since the seedlings are Black Beauty crossed with pollen from mostly show flowers, the seedlings have been variable but they seem to have lots of vigor and darker colors. We have kept several for further evaluation. I suppose we ought to select a really good Swan Island cut flower or two and cross them with Black Beauty. I could just go over to Swan Island and with permission, harvest some Black Beauty seeds there. That would be really interesting.
Too many flowers, not enough time!
ImageIslander
Dec 25, 2015 11:24 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
This cut flower grower likes that a LOT. I love the deep pink. Does it hold up well in sunlight? It has such a lacy look to it.It reminds me of the fashion trim on clothing in the 50-60's when I was a young girl. Have you heard of ric-rac? I think that is how it was spelled.
It was an undulating trim in a contrasting color. I would love to test that one out as a cut flower for you :-)
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ImageBenny101
Dec 25, 2015 12:42 PM CST
Greenville MI - zone 5b
I believe that is the only photo we have and as you can tell the bloom is not all of the way open so the color is still pretty bright but I do remember it fading at least a bit as the bloom matured however the seedling patch received uninterrupted full sun from probably 9am on , I do not believe that it lightened up to its sisters shade though , it stayed a bit darker
From same seed parent
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Imageteddahlia
Dec 25, 2015 1:16 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder: This one has variegations that are very faint and look like tiny bugs or color blemishes to me. It would seem to me that if it were in a bouquet, the colors are weak and the spots would not be apparent.
Having said that someone said the color for 2016 is light pink with no yellow.
Too many flowers, not enough time!
ImageIslander
Dec 25, 2015 3:40 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
I didn't even notice the little speckles this morning but I think they quite add to the charm of it.
Salish Dahlias
ImageBenny101
Dec 25, 2015 5:55 PM CST
Greenville MI - zone 5b
I think we just got attached to it and as commen you start hoping it could be just a bit better , I had a notion of crossing it back to the mother and trying to keep the color and speckles but in a WL form , however when you say it out loud it sounds like a lot of work for probably little gain
Imagetodgor
Nov 27, 2016 3:51 PM CST
Name: Tod Gordon
West Caldwell, NJ
Well here is another rare trait - spots/streaks at the transition between the two colors. I might have seen one other one like this before. I found this at JS Dahlias:

http://www.jsdahlias.com/i/nellie_winnie-2016-10-27.jpg

Imageteddahlia
Nov 27, 2016 4:42 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
That is the same color pattern as HH Exotica. However, this one(Nellie & Winnie) is a sport of the show flower Badger Twinkle and it also has pretty darn good form.
Too many flowers, not enough time!
ImageCCvacation
Nov 27, 2016 7:50 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
It was supposed to be introduced last year, but had propagation issues. Wonder if it was a one-time deal, or this will be an ongoing tuber problem.
CC
ImageBenny101
Nov 27, 2016 8:10 PM CST
Greenville MI - zone 5b
Picotee
I saved this picotee seedling from HH Tigress it badly wants to be a cactus but I want to cross it with a picotee WL seedling I have from another seed parent . I believe the colored edges will be far batter displayed on the waterlily florets than the rolled petals of a cactus
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ImageIslander
Nov 27, 2016 8:53 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
You might be right, Benny but that is an awesome flower right there...love it! How big is it...it looks fairly large compared with your fingers...and is that a BLACK stem?
Salish Dahlias
Imageblown_dry
Nov 27, 2016 10:14 PM CST
Name: Amanda
CA Redwood Coast - Zone 9b
DahliaAddict.com
That is a neat flower! Thanks for sharing, Benny. Smiling
Imageteddahlia
Nov 27, 2016 10:28 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Picotee needs to be put into the classification book. Color is why people buy dahlia cut flowers and picotee is another one that people love.
Too many flowers, not enough time!
ImageBenny101
Nov 28, 2016 6:52 AM CST
Greenville MI - zone 5b
Yes has very dark wiery stems , not sure they are quite " black " but very dark . I also know it makes seeds but I did not save any this year from it .
I plan to try a hand cross with it and this WL seedling
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ImageCCvacation
Nov 28, 2016 12:19 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
I feel like I must bring this seedling up in this thread... might give Winnie & Nellie a run for it's money. Any updates on this one, Ted?

teddahlia wrote:Thumb of 2016-07-23/teddahlia/c9c3e8
Maybe I should have put this picture of a first year seedling in the photos section.

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Thumb of 2016-11-28/CCvacation/39e837
CC
ImageIslander
Nov 28, 2016 2:26 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Lovey dubby Lovey dubby That does inspire dahlia lust Rolling on the floor laughing
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ImageDahliaGardener
Nov 28, 2016 6:49 PM CST
Name: Cynthia
BG, KY USDA Zone 6b
Sanity = Dirt under your nails...
All of those are lovely! Being a HUGE fan of picotee, I tend to really go for those!

C DG
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- William Kent

addicted
Nov 30, 2016 3:23 PM CST
Name: Em
NY
I agree Hurray!
Em
Dahlias -- the gift that keeps on giving!

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