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Imageteddahlia
Nov 30, 2016 6:57 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Benny is way ahead of us on picotee. We had a fairly nice one about 6 years ago, but no one was very excited about that color pattern then and we did not keep it beyond the second year. One of the prettiest dahlias I have ever grown was called "Tender Moments" and it was a creamy white flower with lavender pink picotee edges. It was a poorly formed flower of semi cactus, informal decorative, formal decorative all mixed up. I searched for a picture on my computer and the internet to no avail.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageUltimateFrisbies
Dec 15, 2020 12:17 AM CST
Name: Julia Frisbie
Anacortes, WA
What about the waterlilies that have an extreme involute/incurl, like Kelgai Ann or Sandia Isa? Is there a name for this? They remind me of peonies (not peony form dahlias, but actual peonies), roses, and ranunculus... I ordered Sadia Isa, Sandia Susan, and Pam Howden from the Boleys this year in hopes of getting a closer look. I also tried to get Kelgai Ann from Julie's, but I was too slow. If any of them have good cut flower qualities I will be over the moon. Does anyone know of others along these lines? Do they share certain parents? I apologize if this question is in the wrong place; I'm new here, and still learning my way around.
Imageteddahlia
Dec 15, 2020 11:05 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
I will add to the discussion later. Yes, WLs can have some amazing traits.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
Imageteddahlia
Dec 15, 2020 12:13 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
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This is a picture of our 2020 seedling that was the result of a cross with a specialized breeding parent to create florets that cup well. We lost the breeding parent but in a way I am not sorry as it was a poor specimen of a dahlia that grew just over 2 feet tall. I took a picture of it a few years ago and may run into it again and post it. If you think this one cups a lot the parent was beyond belief. Breeding waterlilies is extremely difficult and we are finally getting some nice seedlings.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageCosey
Dec 15, 2020 12:33 PM CST
Name: LeeAnn
Zone 6b, Pennsylvania
Oh dang. Keep doing what you're doing! Stunning.
ImageUltimateFrisbies
Dec 15, 2020 6:57 PM CST
Name: Julia Frisbie
Anacortes, WA
Ted that's absolutely magnificent! Hope you introduce it someday!
dahlia53
Dec 7, 2022 8:35 PM CST
Name: Brenda
Orcas Island, WA
i'm not sure what you call it, but there are a few waterlily types that have a distinct spiral pattern to the petals. Carolina Wagemans was one but it was a lousy tuber maker for me. it was a lovely buff orangey salmon. the 2nd picture showing the swirl at the center is one i took years ago and put onto Flickr.
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Imageteddahlia
Dec 7, 2022 8:54 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Dahlia florets unfurl in a spiral pattern and most of the time we do not see it unless it is pointed out. Many years ago, when I was a beginner judge, I was on a judging team with a person who was a senior judge in the USA and a certified judge in the UK and that is harder to do. We were judging the poms and one of them had more of a visible spiral pattern as it was opening and I said this pom has a form defect. That was the first time I was told that all dahlias open in a swirl and it is not fault.
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We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
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dahlia53
Dec 7, 2022 10:09 PM CST
Name: Brenda
Orcas Island, WA
that is fascinating info, Ted. I learn so much from you. I love to see the spiraling petal growth, and didn't know they all grew that way!
dahlia53
Dec 7, 2022 10:11 PM CST
Name: Brenda
Orcas Island, WA
I don't think these qualify as 'barbies,' but this is something fascinating that Lillian Stewart does and I love it. What would you call these things?
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Imageteddahlia
Dec 8, 2022 9:19 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Almost barbs. Most traits have degrees of good, better, best. Barbs are really "cool" to use my 1960s terminology.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.

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