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ImageCCvacation
Mar 12, 2014 7:44 AM CST
Name: CC
PA
I'd like to start a list of great varieties whose tubers just don't store well or make many (or any) tubers, which might be better off with overwintering pot tubers from cuttings each year.

This would entail burying the pot with the plant from cutting for the season, then lifting and storing pot roots in pot for cuttings the next spring.

Can you suggest names? I'll update this list as we go.

POOR Tuber Varieties
( 1. bad tuber keepers or 2. few tubers/spaghetti roots)

AC Aquarius 2
Bloomquist Barbara 2
Bubbling Over 2
Bumble Rumble 1,2
Camano Cloud 2
Camano Pet
Clearview Erin
Flamethrower 2
FORMBY KAITLIN 1 & 2
Hillcrest Royal
Hilltop Emily 2
Hilltop Sapphire 2
Hilltop St. Charles 1 & 2
Hollyhill Chloe 2
Hollyhill Joy
Hollyhill Purely Purple 1
Hollyhill Spiderwoman 1 & 2
Irish Blackhart
Janelle
Jennie 1 &2
Jessica 1 & 2
Mi Wong 1
Mingus Nicole 1
Porcelain
Purple Joy
Sellwood Glory 1 & 2
Skipley Bonanza 2
Summer Rain 2
Tartan 2
Toy Boy 2
Walf
Wyn's Eeek! 1 & 2

Possible bad keepers or few tubers.... Need second opinion

Woodland Merinda (Just Ted's experience) (one vote for good tuber maker)
Robann Creamsicle (just Noni's experience)
Clack's Spirit (just Noni's experience)
Cambridge (just DG's experience)
Akita (just DG's experience)
Vista Pet (just DG's experience)
Double Trouble (just DG's experience)
Alpen Cherub (just DG's experience)

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Please be sure to mention if you are listing varieties that have failed only once for you, as it could have been a one-time fluke. Those 'maybe' varieties need a majority vote to put them on the POOR Tuber Variety list. We don't want to railroad varieties that don't deserve to be on here.

There are also some of those varieties, like Hollyhill Spiderwoman, that can have a bumper crop some years, but are consistently poor other years. If it is generally known that a variety is a poor tuber maker/keeper, then it still belongs on this list.

This post will be changed/updated as comments are added. Please share POOR Tuber Varieties or variety challenges on this thread, as this list is useless without YOUR input!
CC
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ImageIslander
Mar 12, 2014 9:04 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Summer Rain
Robann Creamsicle
Camano Cloud
Clack's Spirit
Camano Pet



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Imagedrewtheflorist
Mar 12, 2014 9:31 AM CST
Name: Drew the Florist
14 miles S E of Pittsburgh
HH Electra stores ok HH Chloe is not a big tuber maker

Bloomquist Barbara, if the "spaghetti" doesn't sprout, I won't be growing her again
Imageteddahlia
Mar 12, 2014 9:36 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
HH Electra has eyes that do not swell until the tubers are warmed up.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageFLflowerboy
Mar 12, 2014 11:28 AM CST
Name: Jon George
Gainesville, FL
...crazy enough to grow dahlias in
I have not had Summer Rain form much of a tuber. This year I noticed I had a tiny tuber, almost a pot tuber...I had to re-order this one in years past....not this year though....since Corralitos Gardens is not shipping this year.
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Summer Rain as a cut flower

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Summer Rain in the garden

If it grows this year....I will have to take cuttings
"What is a weed?" asked Peppa Pig. "A weed is a cheeky plant growing in the wrong place!" replied Grandpa Pig.
ImageIslander
Mar 12, 2014 12:31 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
It looks like it bleaches out a lot in the sun and heat. It never gets that much sun here Smiling I don't think I have ever seen a dahlia that topped my affection for this one..it has it all, except tubers! And every time it blooms it is a bit different...very sensitive to sun and temperature changes but I don't think I had any that were ugly.
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Imageteddahlia
Mar 12, 2014 1:23 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
To each his own. Confused Thumbs down Hilarious!
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageCCvacation
Mar 12, 2014 1:56 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
I've had and heard of problems with Flamethrower... Anyone hear the same, and think its the genetics, not the cultivation?

Don't want to railroad a variety as a bad tuber maker/storer if that's not the case.
CC
Imagedrewtheflorist
Mar 12, 2014 1:58 PM CST
Name: Drew the Florist
14 miles S E of Pittsburgh
Summer Rain made the 2014 Classification guide....just WHAT did it win against ???
ImageCCvacation
Mar 12, 2014 2:17 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
I was told that any varieties that score in the test gardens are automatically included for a few years in the guide, to give folk a chance to obtain and show it.

Did this score, then?
CC
Imageteddahlia
Mar 12, 2014 2:20 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Why some flowers make it into the classification handbook: It is my experience that novice exhibitors bring the flowers from their garden to show. In the novice classes judges are very encouraging and tend to give flowers blue ribbons that would not get even a look in the open classes. Blue ribbon awards count equally from the novice classes and open classes. So many flowers of lesser show(I did say show not cut flower)quality end up in the book.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageDahliaGardener
Mar 12, 2014 3:32 PM CST
Name: Cynthia
BG, KY USDA Zone 6b
Sanity = Dirt under your nails...
I had a lot of new things, and quite a bit of overwinter loss. However, I am not sure I can say it's the variety, or that it could be the garage door being left open for half the day in 26º weather.

V. Taylor Swift
Cambridge
Camano Pet
Akita
Vista Pet
Double Trouble
Alpen Fury
Alpen Cherub
Taboo


There are some others, but I can't remember them offhand.

C DG
All gardening is landscape painting.
- William Kent

addicted
Mar 12, 2014 9:57 PM CST
Name: Em
NY
Thanks CC for putting those handy links all in one place!
Em in NY
Dahlias -- the gift that keeps on giving!
ImageCCvacation
Mar 13, 2014 6:18 AM CST
Name: CC
PA
I get tired hunting them down, myself... This should make it easier.

If anyone has other cutting links, I'll put them on top for easy reference, too.
CC
Imagehonnat
Mar 14, 2014 9:27 AM CST
St. Paul, MN
The one year I grew V Taylor Swift, I took some cuttings and grew some tubers. All of them made massive clumps of tubers. That was before I was in "business." I didn't particularly care for the flowers or plant so I tossed them all. So, it CAN be a good tuber maker; but I don't have experience to tell if it stores well.

Off the top of my head - Other known varieties that are skimpy on tubers or have poor storage:

Porcelain
HH Purely Purple
Clearview Erin
ImageCCvacation
Mar 14, 2014 9:43 AM CST
Name: CC
PA
Ah, yes... I forgot about those! Updating now!

This Cubit is a wealth of information, but finding it can be a daunting task!
CC
ImageIslander
Mar 14, 2014 9:54 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Thanks so much for putting together this list. I have wished I had one the previous years. So much better to know what needs a pot tuber started at the BEGINNING of the season.

Fortunately, after we were warned that Camano Cloud doesn't make good tubers, I ordered a pot tuber of it, because I don't want to be without it. Imagine my surprise to find a big collection or rather gnarled ex-pot tubers under it and as of yesterday I see two or three sprouts coming out of them! No Problemo! I would so much rather have too many then too few, and I can sell the extras at the market. Or maybe I will just grow them all Lovey dubby I did get some tubers from HH Purely Purple...now lets see if they grow. I started a pot tuber of it but didn't know it needed covered with dirt. Now I have that step down I think I will have better success. If I can get at least one sprout to carry on Smiling
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ImageIslander
Mar 14, 2014 10:02 AM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Tartan is another that probably should be on the list. It only made Speghetti for me, for Teresa at Cowlitz RIver Dahlias and for the Clacks. Its an old variety but too pretty to be lost. I am hoping I can get one tuber of my speghetti to spout,,,just one would make me so happy! I am hoping my daughter had butter luck back in Maine but hers are still stored in a professional facility. The one encouraging thing is that as an older variety, it must still be making tubers for someone!
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Imageteddahlia
Mar 14, 2014 10:21 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
The list of varieties that have problems with tubers needs to be put into two categories:

(1) The worst is the category of tubers that are prone to rot. Many of these varieties make full sized tubers that look as though they will store well. A very great percentage of them rot in storage despite all the "tricks of the trade". Of the course, the very worst of all are varieties that make small tubers that rot. And pot tubers from these types are prone to rot also but not as bad as tubers.

(2) Somewhat better but still problematical, are the varieties that make very small or "hair root" tubers. If you can get the variety to make a tuber or pot root, they store as well as "normal" varieties.

Examples of (1) "prone to rot" tubers would include Mingus Nicole and Hollyhill Purely Purple and Mi Wong. These make tubers that look good and then rot in storage.

Examples of (2)" that make few or no tubers" would include Camano Cloud and Hollyhill Chloe and Bloomquist Barbara. If you can get tubers or pot tubers from these varieties they store pretty well.

It is important that you separate the two types on your lists. Category (1) tubers need lots of special preparation for storage while category (2) tubers do not. Both are best kept by making pot tubers but a percentage of category(1) varieties will rot in storage and category (2) varieties quite often make "hair root" pot tubers that will not sprout next Spring.

We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageCCvacation
Mar 14, 2014 1:28 PM CST
Name: CC
PA
Good deal... Updated as best I can... I haven't grown many of those, so I'm going on what I remember other people saying.

Please keep on correcting or adding to the list, folks! Thumbs up
CC

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