Discussion of Colors, Forms or Varieties forum: Most floriferous, heavy blooming dahlia varieties?

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Imageteddahlia
May 4, 2020 10:06 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
"Be careful what you ask for." There is a range for that "floriferousness" trait that varies from very few blooms to way too many. You say how could there be too many? When you have too many flowers on a plant, the flowers are smaller, have shallow depth and worst of all, have weak stems. If you grow one of these over producing varieties you will notice that the first flush of flowers is fantastic, followed by a second flush that are OK. The subsequent flushes will be poor. The way to correct this is to do serious dis budding and even dis-branching. That is a lot of work for a cut flower producer.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
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dahlia53
May 4, 2020 1:47 PM CST
Name: Brenda
Orcas Island, WA
teddahlia wrote:"Be careful what you ask for." There is a range for that "floriferousness" trait that varies from very few blooms to way too many. You say how could there be too many? When you have too many flowers on a plant, the flowers are smaller, have shallow depth and worst of all, have weak stems. If you grow one of these over producing varieties you will notice that the first flush of flowers is fantastic, followed by a second flush that are OK. The subsequent flushes will be poor. The way to correct this is to do serious dis budding and even dis-branching. That is a lot of work for a cut flower producer.

Question for you Ted; by disbudding, do you mean pinching out terminal buds on each branch that comes - or is that something different? I think you mentioned that Lakeview Glow was one of those over-producers. Bought it last year but that tuber never made an eye so she sent me a replacement for this year - fingers crossed.

I wonder if over-producers are also weak tuber producers, or if by putting its energies into making so much flowers, the quality and quantity of tubers declines. What do you think?
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IMO, good cutting dahlias are early and somewhat prolific with good stems. I am strictly a hobbyist/ dahlia addict.

Loved, lost, and still misssed -
Alena Rose, Taratahi Ruby, Jane, Bullwinkle, and LeBaron . Plus, a lovely lemony almost greenish light yellow IC cactus, size B, that i never did find the name of..such a hard color to find.

My favorites for good bloom as of 2019-
Hollyhill Black Beauty, Jennie, Gay Prncess, and Sheabird - the laccinated one

Sure wish I had a way and place to make cuttings to refresh tuber stock of treasured dahlias. I guess the good part of not having that is, I get to try new varieties!
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Imageteddahlia
May 4, 2020 3:26 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
"by disbudding, do you mean pinching out terminal buds on each branch that comes - or is that something different:
Disbudding is removing the two side flower buds leaving the center bud to flower. All dahlia nuts do this religiously to the point that when they visit other people's gardens they start disbudding other people's plants.
Pinching is only done once and when the plant is small.
If you have asevere over bloomer, you may want to remove some side stalks(akin to pinching but much later on in the process).
Lakeview Glow is an overbloomer and has best in show blooms for it's first flush and by the third flush the flowers are smaller weaker and can have weak stems. It is a very good tuber maker and that has nothing to do with over blooming.

We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageIslander
May 4, 2020 5:38 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
Disbudding...my favorite chore when working at the Pt Defiance test garden. I let the show dahlia people do a lot of the other tasks but I can dead head and disbud with the best of them Rolling on the floor laughing ..And at the test garden no one was trying to save seed pods for seeds, so you did'nt have to worry about what to deadhead and what not to...
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dahlia53
May 4, 2020 9:27 PM CST
Name: Brenda
Orcas Island, WA
thanks, Ted and Noni - i will try that with the Lakeview Glow if it makes it. I appreciate learning from you.
Imageteddahlia
May 5, 2020 10:58 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Hollyhill Summer Wine is a purple seedling of Lakeview Glow. It has lots of good blooms for bouquets but a bit fewer than L. Glow. It is an average tuber maker and keeper and that is good for a purple dahlia. The overblooming trait must come in degrees and Summerwine is a notch down from L. Glow.
Blackberry Ripple is another over bloomer and by the third flush the blooms are weak stemmed and not very good.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageIslander
May 5, 2020 2:31 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
I have loved HH Summer Wine for my bouquets. Fortunately I had survivors among my tubers. I wonder if it makes seeds? I am trying to give presidence to those varieties that make seeds in my garden. With only 6 raised beds I can't just fill them with the things I love....
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ImageDillyDahlia
May 5, 2020 6:01 PM CST
Name: Tina
NY Zone 5b/6a
Flower Power!
Islander wrote:Disbudding...my favorite chore when working at the Pt Defiance test garden. I let the show dahlia people do a lot of the other tasks but I can dead head and disbud with the best of them Rolling on the floor laughing ..And at the test garden no one was trying to save seed pods for seeds, so you did'nt have to worry about what to deadhead and what not to...


I find disbudding dahlias to be relaxing. It gets me in a “zen place” where I just move along the rows and enjoy the flowers.
“Early to bed, early to rise, plant like hell...and fertilize!” P Allen Smith
SteveM
May 5, 2020 6:26 PM CST
Name: Steve
San Diego
Commercial cut flower grower
I enjoy both, disbudding and weeding. The only chore I strongly dislike is spraying.
I had a worker who could disbud with one hand, and talk on her cell phone with her other hand, faster than I could disbud with two hands.
Imagesylviap
May 6, 2020 7:00 PM CST
Name: Sylvia
West Sacramento, CA Zone 9b
Strangely, I also love weeding. I wear an ipod and listen to audiobooks and weed hours each day.

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