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Imageteddahlia
Jan 21, 2022 2:39 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Does it not make tubers ? Very small or non existent tuber clumps was what mine did . A Washington state grower used to leave hers in the ground and divide it the second year. Now that I am more experienced, I would dig and divide the very small clump into two pieces despite it's small size and do shake and bake with cinnamon and I bet that would work.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
veryzer
Jan 21, 2022 3:49 PM CST
N. IL 5a
I bought a cutting from Stonehouse last year. Like Ted said, it made a single puny tuber. I'm hoping it gives me something this spring.
ImageAndreaB
Jan 21, 2022 4:53 PM CST
Name: Andrea
SE Michigan
SteveM wrote:

Andrea, thanks, what size was HH Orange Ice?



It’s classified as a BB, but was consistently 6-7” for me.
SteveM
Jan 21, 2022 5:26 PM CST
Name: Steve
San Diego
Commercial cut flower grower
ksc wrote:I
Steve, you must have some type of tuber leaving it in the ground all year.


I did the same as you are planning except I kept the cutting under artificial long days (16 hours+) and didn't let it go dormant. I kept the plant under-fertilized and pruned to about 2' tall to encourage side shoots. I used these shoots (laterals) as cuttings for spring planting. Camano Cloud roots very easily. I cut down my original cutting this week (and left it in the 5" pot) after almost 2 years so I will soon know how well the pot tuber survives. I cut down my field plants (grown from cuttings last season) but have not checked to see if they have tubers.

ksc
Jan 21, 2022 6:13 PM CST
Name: kevin
MA South Shore
Thanks for the info. I bought 2 so I could plant one for show, and one to chop up and experiment with. Last year I planted this Camano Prospero in a small pot and buried it. The tubers I bought were real skinny and I was told they don't store well. I popped it out of the pot in Nov. and it had a few nice round tubers. I guess it's time to start up the 2022 Tubers and Cuttings thread, I've been waiting all winter for Ted's new lighting secret.

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ImageCosey
Jan 22, 2022 4:08 PM CST
Name: LeeAnn
Zone 6b, Pennsylvania
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I found another image of some peach seedlings. The one on the left I haven't shown before. It's peach with a rosey cast. I love it's big fat petals. The one on the right it a lighter pastel orange (peach) color. Solid pigment. Same color on both side of the petal.

I need to go find these so I can start warming them up to take cuttings.
ImageIslander
Jan 22, 2022 7:08 PM CST
Name: Noni Morrison
Warren, Oregon
retired flower farmer
I really really like those!
Salish Dahlias
SteveM
Jan 22, 2022 7:14 PM CST
Name: Steve
San Diego
Commercial cut flower grower
Great colors LeeAnn, are those about 4"?
Imageteddahlia
Jan 22, 2022 7:46 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
I like the one on the right.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageCosey
Jan 23, 2022 3:14 PM CST
Name: LeeAnn
Zone 6b, Pennsylvania
Both are more like 5-6", though I suspect the peach bloom on the right could get bigger.

I always struggle with when to measure the blooms. Since I do cut flowers I settled on measuring the average bloom size Labor Day weekend. I'm sure many of my blooms could technically be bigger if you manicured the plant.
SteveM
Jan 23, 2022 7:12 PM CST
Name: Steve
San Diego
Commercial cut flower grower
LeeAnn that's perfect, the size I prefer for most of my cut varieties. Of course, vase life and shatterability (is that a word?) have to be good for any size bloom and is the first thing I check with new varieties..

For me, plant habit is just as important as bloom size or stem length. A heavy bloomer (usually) is not any more desirable than a light bloomer. Heavy bloomers like Chimacum Troy or L.A.T.E. have 2 0r 3 great flushes but after 3 months the blooms get small and the stems are too skinny to sell (this can be corrected with judicious pruning but that's a lot of labor). Medium heavy bloomers like Hollyhill Diamond or Lady Nathalie keep their stem diameter at a salable size for 5-6 months without any special attention. I also prefer weak laterals over dominant laterals. I try to keep up on disbudding but, when I inevitably fall behind, the varieties with strong laterals take extra time to bunch.

Imageteddahlia
Jan 23, 2022 7:53 PM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Over bloomers are a pain in the butt for show growers too as you have to disbud really well to get good blooms. Lakeview Glow is an example. There are dahlias that have way too few blooms and Hollyhill Tempest is one; 6-7 foot tall plants with an occasional flower.
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Some people do not mind the paucity of flowers when the colors are right.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
ImageCosey
Jan 23, 2022 8:38 PM CST
Name: LeeAnn
Zone 6b, Pennsylvania
Any blooms that shatter are an instant cull for me. Though this year my favorite white, Blizzard, shattered for 2 weeks after we got a heavy rain spell after a dry spell. The plants drank so much water the stem at the blossom attachment point just exploded!

Thankfully I could skim my seedlings to fill my white orders.

Ted- I am falling in love with these 'damask' variegated blooms. I don't know what else to call them except it's a variegation of the same color but in different tones. So lovely.
SteveM
Jan 23, 2022 8:51 PM CST
Name: Steve
San Diego
Commercial cut flower grower
teddahlia wrote:
Some people do not mind the paucity of flowers when the colors are right.

Interesting genetics there. "paucity", great word.
SteveM
Jan 23, 2022 9:01 PM CST
Name: Steve
San Diego
Commercial cut flower grower
Cosey wrote:Any blooms that shatter are an instant cull for me. Though this year my favorite white, Blizzard, shattered for 2 weeks after we got a heavy rain spell after a dry spell. The plants drank so much water the stem at the blossom attachment point just exploded!


That;s interesting. A couple of my varieties will shatter for a week or two when they normally don't. I haven't been able to associate this shattering with heat, water or fertilizer variables or pesticide sensitivity. In these cases I am beginning to think mites or thrips could be the cause but I have yet to prove it to myself.

It is very embarrassing to deliver a bucket of fresh dahlias and have all the petals fall off when I set the bucket down.
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Imageblown_dry
Jan 23, 2022 9:51 PM CST
Name: Amanda
CA Redwood Coast - Zone 9b
DahliaAddict.com
SteveM wrote:
It is very embarrassing to deliver a bucket of fresh dahlias and have all the petals fall off when I set the bucket down.


Ouch!
Imageteddahlia
Jan 24, 2022 10:53 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Ms. Kennedy bred by the Boleys is the classic drop your petals dahlia. About 1/3 of the the florets drop to the ground one day after it reaches full maturity as a show flower. If shown, it is picked immature so that when it is judged it is about 95% ripe(ripe means center is fully developed and petals extend to the back of the bloom for full depth). Many times it is selected for a higher award and when waiting for that judging(less than an hour) the florets start falling down to the table. Typically on Sunday(they are judged on Saturday) the MS Kennedy flowers are a sea of dropped petals. It does have wonderful form and is a nice color too and makes nice tubers. The trait for dropping petals is generally but not always transferred to it's seedlings. HH Calico is a seedling of Ms. Kennedy and it may not drop it's petals although it has been many years since we have grown Calico. Another HH variety may be related to Ms.Kennedy too but nothing bred in the last 10years or so. Ms. Kennedy itself is seedling of Ginger Willo, a pom. Link to my picture posted previously on Cubits.
https://cubits.org/Dahlias/thread/view/73278/
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
janell
Jan 25, 2022 5:46 AM CST
Name: Janell
Ohio
Steve, the dahlia social media world must have heard your request! In my IG feed this morning I saw a post that has Peaches N Cream, Hollyhill Orange Ice, and Summit Festival all in the same frame. HH Orange Ice is much larger. A neighbor grew HH Orange Ice and I thought the coloring to be brighter and less bridal than PNC, but I never placed the two together for a photo op. The IG poster/dahlia grower is @carpedahlia in Grand Ledge, Michigan. The link to her post: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZIhLAVLLYP/?utm_medium=share_sh...

Ted, that is interesting about Ms Kennedy. I grew her last year and did not notice shattering. I feel shamefully unobservant. I’ll watch her more closely this year.
Imageteddahlia
Jan 25, 2022 10:33 AM CST
Name: Ted
Oregon
We enjoy breeding new dahlias!
Whether we like to admit it or not, dahlias are an "event" flower meaning they are excellent for one day and and less reliably so for a second day. If you pick MS. Kennedy (or most any dahlia cut flower variety) at 5/8 to 3/4 ripe as do most cut flower sellers, MS Kennedy is a fine cut flower for the event and even (probably) the second day. MBs and small formal decorative flowers and more popular than ever. 15 years ago when we sold cut flowers, I would pick a bouquet of MBs and small FDS and place it on the flower stand with Margaret's bouquets. Not once did it sell until the very end when Margaret's bouquets were all sold out. They were labeled in many people's minds as flowers "that men liked" . Now they are immensely popular and one reason is that Floret Farms took pictures of her
holding 35 or more flowers of the same variety and of course having that Mona Lisa type smile.
We like to place a sign on our porch that says: We are in the garden. Really, we are always in the garden.
SteveM
Jan 25, 2022 12:48 PM CST
Name: Steve
San Diego
Commercial cut flower grower
Thanks Janell, I was guessing HH Orange Ice must be brighter than PNC or it would be selling better than PNC. Carpedahlias' comparison photos make them both look similar in color. Maybe growing them in full sun will help to mute the orange and make them more "bridal"? I grew my PNC under 30--40% shade and the colors were slightly more vibrant than the photo comparison. I think I will plant half of my PNC in full sun this season.

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