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soilsandup
Mar 5, 2014 10:34 PM CST
Name: Dianne
Sacramento, CA, zone 9a
I have a question for this group -
I had carrots and some orlaya grandiflora growing near the same area. Both went to seed, and now I got a gazillion seedlings growing. Are these carrot seedlings or orlaya grandiflora seedlings? I am hoping they are carrots, but I am afraid that they are O. grandifloras which I do not need that much of.

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ImageMistirose
Mar 5, 2014 10:41 PM CST
Name: Misti
Fate, TX
hmmm the one on the left looks like carrots but the one on the right doesnt.
soilsandup
Mar 5, 2014 11:57 PM CST
Name: Dianne
Sacramento, CA, zone 9a
Misti - the clump on the left is what I dug out - and the seedling on the right is a closeup of the separated seedlings.

Here are pictures of the whole process - I am really, really hoping they are carrots Big Grin
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poisondartfrog
Mar 6, 2014 4:42 AM CST
Name: Alana
Kentucky
Both are family Apiaceae. Separated they look like carrots, but every year I have a patch of Orlaya that comes up and it looks just like that. If I were taking odds I would say 4 to 1 it's Orlaya.
Have you ever had carrots self sow like that?
ImageArleneB
Mar 6, 2014 7:46 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Just for information, I am doing vermiculite sowing and I was concerned the coarse was too big so I switched to fine. I think it's too fine. I'm having issues with damping off or something anywhere I used fine. So go with medium or coarse vermiculite.

I potted up some Penstemon Arabesque Red seedlings and I was so excited since it's a new variety and very red. BUT, I had in paper pots and not in a tray with self watering and they dried out. *Blush* Thumbs down Gonna plant some more, but what a shame on me!!!

patrob
Mar 6, 2014 9:09 AM CST
Name: Patricia
Central TX 7b/8a
I have been using coarse vermiculite and just received more from greenhousemegastore.com To save on shipping I ordered two of the 4 cu ft bags, so I have plenty for a couple of years. I needed a new exhaust fan too, so I really saved on shipping. Whistling

The vermiculite crumbles easily, so if I need finer for a particular kind of seed, I just crush a little to cover the seeds or use finely sifted peat moss. on top. I start lots of seeds in a mixture of half vermiculite and half peat moss. I put the damp peat moss in a plastic bag and zap it in old microwave for about 10 minutes before mixing to make sure to kill any fungus gnats or other pests.

Ella, the calves are doing great in spite of the cold weather. There are only about a dozen cows left that have not calved. We delayed calving until late winter hoping to avoid the coldest weather. That normally works, but not this year.... If it would just rain a little, there'd be some green grass for them. Driest start to the year on record so far. Not hoping for bad storms, just some good soaking rain.
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ImageDiamond919
Mar 6, 2014 10:28 AM CST
Name: Anita Crusoe
Indiana
Love forgives all wrongs.
I'm curious about the methods you all use to transition seedlings to larger pots. I always lose plants when it's time to repot. I don't have a problem starting most seeds but once I get sprouts then things get a little more hectic. Right now I have seeds in peat pots and a couple of 2 liters under grow lights and on a heat mat. to keep my peat pots moist I enclosed them in ziplock bags. Once I saw some condensation I opened the bags. My challenge is keeping things moist.

Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends.
Imagestarlight1153
Mar 6, 2014 10:40 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Soils... The one on the right is the Orlaya. I grew them last year and I didn't know they looked like that. I had planted all the seeds in a separate pot and than came back and tried burying them deeper cuz they all seemed to fall over. I had to come and ask because I had seen pics of them and thought they was a nice clump and I didn't have clumps. I learned to plant several seeds of them close together this time to maybe make em full looking. Pretty flowers, just had to realize they kinda spread out like Scabiosa does.

Joseph grows lots of carrots so maybe he can tell, but I'm betting on the left side being the carrots.

Anita.... Hey that is great! Leave the others on the heat they do sprout irregularly. Just remember not to overwater the seedlings. They hate wet feet. They don't like bone dry, but sure don't like soggy either. They a woody, so don't require quite as much water as a flowering seedling. Once you get your Lanatana up and going. Give it a hair cut so it will start branching out and than take the cuttings, stick em a small glass jar or tiny bottle, and let em root. Usually takes about 2 to 3 weeks for the cuttings to root.

Arlene... The fine holds the water longer so any seeds or seedlings being sprouted in it, I just give two squirts of water per hole. Especially those seeds that take longer to germinate, the fine really keeps the moisture in.

Are your Penstemons totally gone? Sometimes because of them being a perennial, if you give just a few drops of water, wait a couple of hours and come back and give a few more drops and keep on doing that slowly til the pot is moist again, you can bring them back if they haven't been dried our for too many days. Anytime you think you have killed something from lack of water, if you try and do it slowly it amazing how they will come back. That mainly for the perennials.

Patrob.... What was the mega store charging for their coarse vermicultite, if ya don't mind me asking? Did they get it shipped to you without breaking the bags open ok? I have the local feed store bring the 3 cubic bags of Fafard hort grade seed starting mix in for me. Costs me about 20 bucks a bag, about 4 to 5 bucks more than going to wholesale house, but it worth it not to have to drive 5 hours to pick it up. Local small landscape place was charging 8.50 for a small 2 quart bag of vermiculite alone.

Ahhhhhh. I enjoy the babies. They so curious. Got love them eyes. They can melt the hardest heart I think. When they get big than they sort of scare me. Especially when ya out in the dark cow tipping. Hilarious! Wish I could pass you some rain. Ya no bad storms but a nice steady rain for a few days for ya would be nice. Don't you usually get the rain that comes in from off Ca? They still so droughty I heard. Saw on news last night where a lot of restaurants were going to have to change up menus because of the drought and crops being slim this year and prices going sky high.

Spent yesterday outside bleaching pots and got several hundred pepper seedlings transplanted and it was a nice day to be out. Watched the birds feeding all around me while I worked. Today. Not so nice a day. Raining, wet, cold and a high of barely 40 if we lucky. The wind been blowing terrible.

Seen also on the news that alot of folks still getting alot of bad bad weather. Sure hope all the rest of our piggies are doing ok and safe.

Joseph... Until you came along I never knew there we so many beans and about beans. Big Grin Now I gotta find out what Lantos Retunrs are and horse beans. Hilarious! Hilarious! Just the name horse beans tickles my insides.

Gonna get started sowing some more seed today. Weather supposed to be nice this weekend during the day anyways, still gonna need heaters for at night.

The fungus gnats are out too besides the aphids. Time to start cutting up slices of potato and placing it all around the seedlings.

Danita.... Where ya at? Miss Salvia expert. I wondering should I cut back some the seedlings from last year or will ones like Cherry Queen branch on their own this year, that is if they still alive. I hope the cold didn't get em. Hope to see a few blooms this year. Big Grin

I was checking to see some of what may be alive and what may not and the one plant that seems no matter what happens to it that keeps on growing and surviving any conditions is Sedum. That one tough plant. I think my Century plants are toast. You drive around and you see all the Palms and Cactus plants are brown toast looking and mush.





ImageAndi
Mar 6, 2014 11:14 AM CST
Name: aka GardenQuilts
Facebook, NGA
and the beloved Winston the pug
I am so jealous, you can see your dirt! We still have a couple of feet of snow here.

The farmers almanac said to start my peppers March 10. I haven't started any veggies indoors, yet. While bringing my shelves inside from the detached garage, I found signs of mice. Yikes! I rescued my better yarn and moved it from the shelves in the garage to the attic. Then, the landlord checked the roof and has to do some repairs after the snow this winter, so I am emptying the attic and moving things back to the garage. Needless to say, I have been setting and checking mouse traps.

Winston the pug is curious about what I am doing with HIS peanut butter in the garage....I haven't let him in the garage because i don't need to trap Winston.

I have been trying to convince the stealth cat to come outside with me and catch mice, but she is so comfy on the mohair throw on the couch that she doesn't want to go outside....

Life as a single girl with spoiled furbabies....
Imagestarlight1153
Mar 6, 2014 11:28 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Anita... I don't use straight peat pots cuz for me they dry out to fast. Once the seedlings are up I start them on some weak miracle grow. For potting, once I transplant I wait 7 days before I start fertilizing again. Transplanting can be a pain and every time you transplant you set the seedlings back a couple of weeks, but one rule is don't go too big. Best to transplant up in stages. Plants like to sort of have small areas for their roots.

The roots will fill out smaller areas faster and spend more time in plant growth than. If you go to too big of a pot than believe it or not some plants get lost in all that soil and croak.

What are you wantign to transplant them into, bigger pots, the ground? What type of soil are you transplanting them into? Peat dries out fast from the top, but can stay wet at the bottom and rot the root systems. With peat pots, always best to feel the bottom of the pot and see how moist it is.

I transplanting into a mix. I get the cheap 2.50 bag of potting soil from Dollar General, add a bit of peat, perlite and from Home Depot I get those bags of soil conditioner about 2.50 to 3 bucks for a big bag. It like ground up fine pine bark and peat. I use a big plastic container and make my mix and transplant from it.
ImageSorellina
Mar 6, 2014 11:43 AM CST
Name: Julianna
Victoria, BC USDA Zone 8
Here are some baby pictures from the grow-op downstairs:

Variegated Cat Grass from Wildflowers!! I'm super excited about this and am determined to get lots more seed of this variety!

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Baby Alliums

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Utah Celery

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Early Chinense Peppers - popsicle sticks mark true variety names - grower was lazy and didn't remove labels.

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Baby Brassicas & Chards

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Grazie a tutti,
Julianna
ImageMistirose
Mar 6, 2014 11:46 AM CST
Name: Misti
Fate, TX
ahh so mine arent the only ones that are a bit leggy. Hoping the lettuces will still transplant well. Lovey dubby
ImageDiamond919
Mar 6, 2014 11:50 AM CST
Name: Anita Crusoe
Indiana
Love forgives all wrongs.
Thanks Ella! Never heard of soil conditioner??? I looked it up on Home Depot site but it doesn't offer the content. Is it peat, bark and sand? It looks like something I need to try. I buy the orchid mix but the bark is alot bigger than I would like.
Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends.
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ImageSorellina
Mar 6, 2014 12:01 PM CST
Name: Julianna
Victoria, BC USDA Zone 8
I'd love to see some baby pictures of the cowwies, Patricia! Cows are my second favourite animal next to cats. I spent a lot of time in the barns when I was at university. I'd take my books up there because it was so quiet and peaceful. Cows make a nice warm backrest.
Grazie a tutti,
Julianna
Imagestarlight1153
Mar 6, 2014 1:15 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Sorellina... Nice bunch of seedlings you have there. Big Grin

Misti... Maybe it just me, or maybe it the cultivar, but my first lettuce leaves always look kinda scraggly and floppy.

Anita... It is called Nature's Helper Organic Soil Conditioner. It's 50% peat and 50 % compost. I always think it a bit heavy for tiny seedlings , those that just have thir first set of true leaves which is why I add a bit of peat and perlite with the soil conditioner and the dollar general soil. The dollar general soil has some peat pine and sand in it. It heavy too but if I mix the whole group up, I do batches, than I have a nice fluffy mix.

The soil conditioner is what we call pinebark fines. It is like pinebark mulch that has been ground up fine. Folks use it for amending their soils and planting shrubs and such, but it makes a great planting mixture especially for container gardening. The pieces aren't so small that they will break down fast or easy, but they big enough that they give a seedling or a plants roots room to move and grow and have air pocket spaces besides those to hold water.

It like using the commercial grade Fafard to me, but it a whole, whole lot cheaper. Than if I want I will add some slow release fertilizer into the soil too. Most of the time I don't. With our heat and humidity, those 6 to 9 month slow release ferts barely make it a month. They break down fast in high heat temps.

This is what I use.

http://cubits.org/ellasgarden/thread/view/28326/

It great. No fuss no muss. Just turn on water and go. I have to water just about everyday with the heat and the sand, plus containers dry out faster down here. I get one of them big 4 pack in plastic containers of miracle grow and it will last all year long even with watering everyday. Only thing is you need to make sure you cover the bucket up. Otherwise leaves, bugs and other stuff always seems to fall in it.

Andi... Glad ya checked in. I know you and Blue and a few others up the East Coast have got to be sick of all the snow and cold. Hang on for just a little bit longer. Spring will get to ya eventually. Big Grin
ImageDanita
Mar 6, 2014 2:11 PM CST
Name: Danita
GA Zone 7b/8
Ella, 'Cherry Queen' can get sprawly if not trimmed back so there is a good chance her seedlings will have that trait too. It probably depends on if they got more of the greggii or blepharophylla genes. On the woody Salvias, it's best to wait until you see some growth in late winter/early spring and cut back to just above the lowest growth. The really woody growth isn't always great at producing new growth so if it gets cut back too hard the plant might not recover. Speaking of 'Cherry Queen', this is the first year my mother plant hasn't remained evergreen over winter. I'm hoping she recovers from this awful winter okay.

On another Salvia query...

Sorellina, Regarding the Salvia splendens 'Tall Peach'... it wasn't you, it was the seeds. I'm now thinking that Salvia splendens seed must not stay viable quite as long as other Salvia seeds and I also made a storage mistake with those that probably made matters worse. Last year, I managed to eke out germination of one seed, so if I don't manage to kill it before it sets seed this summer, then I may have a few for you for the next piggy-swap. I'm so sorry about that. Just a general tip though, if you have Salvia seeds that are a few years old then let them soak a day or two in water that has a dash of H2O2 in it. I seem to get a much higher rate of germination that way.

Smiling
ImageSorellina
Mar 6, 2014 2:17 PM CST
Name: Julianna
Victoria, BC USDA Zone 8
Ok, Danita, thanks! I've only sown a few flowers so far and I wasn't patient enough with them, so I've got to start over. I'm sowing lettuces today, but after that, I think I'll do a flat of early flowers and herbs.
Grazie a tutti,
Julianna
ImageArleneB
Mar 6, 2014 2:57 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
The penstemons are gone! They were very tiny to begin with. I like to pot up as soon as I can, sometimes even before they have set true leaves. Believe me, I looked and I soaked them last night with my fingers crossed but when I looked this morning, nothing! I'll plant a few more this weekend. There were a few agastaches that bit the dust too. Sad

Anyone ever grown plectranthus barbatus, Indian coleus? I need hints on starting the seeds. My first 10 didn't germinate but I ordered more and I don't want to have another complete failure, I won't be able to keep buying them! Hilarious!

Imagewildflowers
Mar 6, 2014 3:26 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Hi everyone. I can see that seed sowing has begun!! Hurray!

Sorelina, your variegated cat grass looks great! My cat literally loves it to death! Hilarious! So if you want seeds, you'll have to keep some growing away from your felines. LOL!!!

I wanted to try seed starting in vermiculite this year but couldn't find it anywhere in this town!! But, I'll keep it in mind when I go to the big city. I can always get a big bag of it to save for next year. I must admit I am curious how the seeds germinate in air tight containers with vermiculite. I always though air was necessary to get the seeds to grow.
FAITH over fear!

ImageMistirose
Mar 6, 2014 3:50 PM CST
Name: Misti
Fate, TX
Thank you Star! I feel better.

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