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Oct 13, 2014 7:23 PM CST
Name: Julie Ward
Zone 5 Mo
Returning Piggy
Thank you Patti and Ella I am forwarding that on to my Sis! Thumbs up

Good luck moving TC!
Oct 13, 2014 7:31 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
starlight1153 wrote: Not good when I run out of coffee and bacon,

BACON ???? Crying Blinking

"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
Oct 14, 2014 7:28 AM CST
Name: Julianna
Victoria, BC USDA Zone 8
Sign me up, Ella, I'm here! Hurray!
Grazie a tutti,
Oct 14, 2014 2:06 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
WeedWacker..... Oh Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! Bacon. Lots and lots of lovely crispy bacon. Bacon for breakfast, bacon for dinner sometimes and lots of bacon for my snacks. Sticking tongue out Sticking tongue out

Don't worry though. I always keep plenty on hand during swap time. Haven't turned anybody into a plate of pork chops yet. I did say yet didn't I. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Sorellina... Good to see you popping in. Get everything harvested? Looks like you brought that cold northern wind in with you though. Brrrrrr. Went from 90F down to 60F and 50F something at night all week.

Oct 14, 2014 7:10 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
Uh oh... picturing piggies being lured to Ella's Garden with promises of seeds to be swapped and then next thing we know... well, it's not a pretty picture!!


(must go now and eat a nice BLT Whistling )
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
Oct 15, 2014 12:29 AM CST
Name: Anita Crusoe
Love forgives all wrongs.
Count me in please!
Love prospers when a fault is forgiven, but dwelling on it separates close friends.
Oct 15, 2014 4:10 AM CST
I have a question about what to put on the label on the seed packets we send in:

In addition to putting the botanical and/or common names on the packet's label, could you also request that we put the date the seeds were harvested or their commercial date on the label too?

I realize that's not always possible, but it's so useful. Although some seed can be viable for centuries like canna ("The hard seed are very long lived, having germinated when 600 years old, found in a pre-Columbian rattle." or lotus (1,000+ years ), some like larkspur often don't germinate after a year past ripening. Viability information can only be used as a guide, but still, I think dates of seeds are useful.

In cases when I can not get those dates, then when I receive seeds without their dates, I mark the date received on the packet when it comes to me.

Do we send $7 in stamps or money?

Thanking you in advance for any consideration of this matter.
My religion is simple. My religion is kindness. Dalai Lama
Oct 15, 2014 8:51 AM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, Georgia, USA
If I may offer a suggestion for the new piggys:
What helped me was to look at the lists for the previous year to see the many different ways that folks set up their individual 'TO' and 'FROM' area of their database. After oinking and receiving a 'yes' confirmation, just add the seeds to the piggy's name in the 'TO' section. That way, when you start packing up the seed packs you won't miss anything. Keeping up with the 'FROM' section will allow you to verify with each person that they have all the packs you oinked for.

Example: Andi's list from 2013 is here, scroll down to find the 'trades going out' section:

Example: Sorellina's is a bit different, scroll down to find it here:

Check the way that others have done their lists in 2012 and 2013 to find what will work for you.
Oct 15, 2014 8:54 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
Diamond .... Howdy and welcome back! Got ya marked down. Big Grin Anita... when you get a chance go to the databases and click on the See all entries link. Start looking at the folks list of seed. Start writing down things you would like to get. We'll help you try and oink this year, but if you can't I'll help you out and so will the other piggies. Big Grin

Blue .... While having a harvest date is helpful, I am not requiring folks to do it. If folks have time and they want to, that is fine. Some folks may put a year and some don't. It's all personal choice I leave up to each individual.

Some plants produce seed that may be hazardous to animals or people. Now if I have any seed that I know fits that category, I make a little star on the label and put the word Poison, handle with care as a precaution because sometimes children get excited and like to help parents sort seed and the parents can put those seed safely away. For example Datura seeds or Ricinus the Castor Beans.

The only thing I am requiring is a scientific and/ or common name. Sometimes you may get seed from a trade your sharing and the only thing on it is Blue Petunia. Just write Blue Petunia and list it as such. Folks can decide if they want to try it or not. Sometimes folks lose tags and forget names of plants or they get a seed that came to them with no real name, but is a beauty to grow.

Now if somebody is sending a really weird looking seed or seeds still in pods that might implode, please send me a cmail and let me know. I would appreciate it. Whew!! I have had a lot of scares over the years from grabbing up a seed packet and thinking it is some alive creature making me jump out of my skin, or seeds imploding and me thinking it gunfire and having me duck. I think the one that scared me the most was the one seed that looked like some live sea creature that set my heart to pumping like crazy. Whistling Hilarious! Hilarious!

For postage, you can send cash, US Postal Money Orders only, ( ones from your local corner stores and gas stations does not work), or US postal stamps, or checks. Doesn't matter, as when I go to ship the postal lady just grabs everything and puts stamps on and/or stamps and cash. She has the piggy swap down pat and I let her do her thing. Big Grin

Some folks will send a bit extra to help defuse the costs the long haulers have. We like their seed and it costs them a lot to ship to here and back again. International rates are terrible. That is fine, just mark it as such.

For the long haulers, I know that sometimes getting the above is not possible. What we do with long haulers is I find out how much the postage will be going back to you. The post office lady will figure the different ways out and I'll let you know the totals and you can pick the way you want things shipped back to you. Than if you have a PayPal account than you can use it to send the postage. Only the long haulers are allowed to use Paypal.

We'll be going back over each section as we do it, to remind folks and lend help to those who need it.

In the past, folks have asked if it is ok to send cards or other little special somethings to along with the seeds. Yes, that is fine. I'll send it on along. The only thing I ask is that if you do receive a card or something, please send any thank you's in a personal cmail back to that person and don't post it on the threads. Momma always said if everybody didn't get one, than keep quiet about it, so nobody's feelings get hurt. Smiling

Hope that helps. Any more questions anybody has, please don't be afraid to ask, now or during the swap.

Oct 15, 2014 9:15 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
Thanks Greene! I know Patti1957 has already done a set up of the names for To and From already in alphabetical order. Not sure if Poison has yet or not. Think we used her example last year. All you have to do is copy and paste the list from Patti1957's database. Than just add other names as folks join.

Not only will it help you keep track of what your getting or sending out, but it will also help you to keep track of your counts. I don't mind if folks go over an oink or two. Folks get excited and it happens, but folks that go way over the allotted count you will be receiving a cmail from me or Patti.

It also helps you to see what you have oinked for already. That way you won't have used up like 10 oinks on one type of seed, unless you really wanted it.

Also, at the end it helps Patti and me sort things out if we have questions and saves everybody from having to send me pieces of paper with info on it.

Those folks that don't know how to copy and paste the names or aren't sure what is being discussed, holler out. We'll do it for you and than all you'll have to do is click edit and list the in or out seeds from your confirmations you receive.

And while I am thinking about it, NO asking for more than one packet of seeds of the same kind from the same person. Last year we had a couple of folks that really wanted a certain seed. There was only a couple packets offered and those seed were all oinked for at once by one person. That didn't leave any left for other folks who really wanted to grow it. Be considerate of your fellow piggies. It's ok to be a piggy, it is encouraged, but not to be a hog. Smiling

Oct 15, 2014 3:58 PM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana
starlight1153 wrote:

And while I am thinking about it, NO asking for more than one packet of seeds of the same kind from the same person. Last year we had a couple of folks that really wanted a certain seed. There was only a couple packets offered and those seed were all oinked for at once by one person. That didn't leave any left for other folks who really wanted to grow it. Be considerate of your fellow piggies. It's ok to be a piggy, it is encouraged, but not to be a hog. Smiling

I don't understand.

How does one person get more than one packet of the same seed?

Oct 15, 2014 4:45 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
Hi Chelle!

Let me try and explain. The brain works good most of the time, but getting the words out sometimes, well..... *Blush*

Say you had only two packets of a certain seed up. Somebody comes along and oinks for it, but also asks for both of both packets at once. You give it all to that person and than maybe somebody else who really wanted it, who would attempt to grow it and oinked for it is than told it is all gone.

For an example maybe the post would look like this.

Chelle... Oinking for two of your Pink flower.


Chelle.. Oinking for Pink Flower, would like 2 packets please

or Chelle ... Your Pink Flower x 2

Now if at end of swap, you have extra of what they wanted and want to gift it on to them your welcome too.

I watched somebody ask for all the packets of a seed somebody had. The person they oinked from said sure and gave all the packets of that particular seed to one person. All 10 packets that were offered were gone to this one person before of the other piggies even got a chance to sniff at it.

I know that person was trying to be nice, but it left the other piggies with no chance of even oinking for it.

Does that help? Am I clear as mud yet? Hilarious!

Of course during the swap there will be times when maybe another piggy will beat you to the seed and you'll be told sorry it is all gone, but by making sure folks only get one packet of seed instead of multiples, than you or somebody else will have a chance at getting some too. Big Grin

Oct 15, 2014 4:56 PM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana
Wow...okay, I missed seeing that last year. Blinking

I understand now...and thanks for explaining it. I tip my hat to you.
Oct 15, 2014 4:58 PM CST
Name: Bluee19 Huynh
Rosemead CA
Please sign me up for Part I, II, and III.

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Oct 15, 2014 6:22 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
Chelle... Yep it was done so quick, Momma piggy here almost missed it too. A few things slip past this old hog, but not too much. Hilarious! Glad I was able to answer your question.

Bluee19... Welcome Nicole!! Smiling Sure you may join in just those parts. When we hit Part 2 and Part 3 (Bottom of the Barrel) I'll post directions for those folks.

We have alot of newbies and everybody here was a newbie at one time. We have slowed the oinking of the swap down real slow this year, so that newbies have a chance to breath and have fun too. The regular piggies are very careful of watching out for the newbies. They understand folks are new and help folks along too.

We have folks that are new that may watch for a little bit and than decide to kick up their hooves and jump in the mud puddles too. That is fine. A person can jump in at anytime. After you make your first one or two oinks, you'll wonder why you was afraid of a little bit of mud. Big Grin Also once you see all the seed that is offered up and you start drooling, you'll wanna jump right in. Rolling on the floor laughing

To make sure you understand, with the One-To-One you don't get to pick the seed you want. I never know a head of time what seed will be available for the One-to-One or Bottom -of the-Barrel.

Even if you decide to do just One- to -One and Bottom -of the -Barrel, please go and find your self a stall over on the database here:

Scrool down and click on Add a New Entry

Than put in your Screen Name ... blueee 19

Than scroll down and fill in the part for your Wish List and a Bit About My Garden than

very important.....

Scroll down and click Save My Changes!

We'll get your cubits cmail addy in for you if you can't find it and put it in.

That way I have an idea of what things you would like when I sort out those sections of seed.

Your welcome to go over to the database, click on Browse All The Entries and look at like

Arlene, Chelle, Jonna, Poisondart, Wildflower, Starlight1153 (myself)

I know off hand they have started listing seed and come back on here and practice making a few oinks. Than you can send them a practice cmail for confirmation , so you can see how easy the swap really is.

A confirmation cmail you send may look something like this

From Patti1957... Cmail title: Oinking

"If these are still available, I’m oinking, please!
Jumbo Pink Banana Squash
Larkspur Lilac King
Nepeta Pink Dreams"

If the person has them still available you'll get a cmail back that might say something like.

"Sure thing" or You Got it.

See... real easy. Big Grin

But like I said, your welcome to watch and change your mind and jump in at anytime. Thumbs up

Folks I see some of you have started filling in the Coming In and Going Out sections with names. I have noticed some of the names listed are not in the swap yet or will not be at all this year, they busy this season.

So that you have the right names, I have posted the list of participants so far. You can copy and paste it to your database than add any other names later.

Here is the thread where this years participants will be kept listed and added too.

Oct 15, 2014 6:35 PM CST
Name: Alana
bluee19, I bet once you see us all in the mud up to our pig knuckles you will jump in the hog lot with us.

Bluespiral wrote:I have a question about what to put on the label on the seed packets we send in:

In addition to putting the botanical and/or common names on the packet's label, could you also request that we put the date the seeds were harvested or their commercial date on the label too?

I prefer knowing the year of harvest, too, Karen. It does not necessarily mean I won't want them if they are old, but it may change how I handle them.
In past swaps Ella has urged people to disclose it in their database if they know that a seed they offer is older. I think most everyone does this as a courtesy to the other piggies. Group hug That way we don't end up with a pig in a poke. Rolling on the floor laughing

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Oct 15, 2014 6:45 PM CST
Im a survivor. The environmental protection agency tested all the soil around my house, front yard and backyard, 2 side flower gardens this may 2014. The results came back at high toxic lead levels two weeks ago. My house is 123 years old. So the epa lead cleanup team came in with backhoes, ripped out all my flowers, iris, bushes, plants, took all the dirt out of the yards and flower beds. They came back a few days ago with new lead free dirt. I now have only dirt to look at. There was a lead factory near my home 100 years ago. The factory is the culprit for the lead deposited in my yards. So I would be very gratefull for any seeds so I can replant flowers etc next spring.
Oct 15, 2014 9:43 PM CST
Name: Misti
Fate, TX
Oh My how awful! I'm glad you got it replaced though. Group hug
Oct 15, 2014 11:02 PM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
Yikes, Diamondgirl -- hope you get lots of stuff to make a new start, that sounds very stressful!
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
Oct 16, 2014 7:55 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
diamondgirl .... Welcome to this years swap as a "Survivor"

I verified the chemical waste problems for your area. What a mess. Hopefully they have gotten it all. I'd keep monitoring just to be on the safe side. Such a thing can be stressful. We lived in a house for a bit til my son started getting sick that was full of peeling lead paint and pipes. We didn't know and got out as soon as we could.

Here is what you do:

1. Set up your database just like the other folks, but In the spot for “Have’s List, type" I am a Survivor. " That way folks know why you don't have any seed listed.

2. Send me a cmail with your home address to where your seeds will be sent. Addy’s are checked to make sure you are in an area that has met with disaster. This is done to make sure those folks requesting Survivor status are really a Survivor .

3. You must follow along and Oink for seed , send cmail requests for confirmation you want just like all the other participants.

I already have #2 , so that taken care of. Big Grin

4. Send in postage for your seeds.

5. Practice your oinking skills and have fun. Hilarious!

Bluee19 ... Glad you have decided to go all the way. I have plenty of tissues ~~~ ~~~ if you get mud in your eyes while wallowing in the mud. Don't worry, somebody will dig ya out if ya get stuck and the piggy bath always there to clean up in, so you can go back out and get muddied up again. Hilarious!

Posion... Did I see you use the word "Poke?" Oh goody! That means you want about 2,000 Poke salad seed in your feed bucket huh? Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Yep, most folks are good about posting if the seed is older, second chance seeds, commercial, heirloom or collected and such. Your right, it is a common courtesy. Smiling

A tip for helping newbies. Whenever you go to edit anything on your databases, make sure you click the link for just "Edit This Entry." That way your changes become immediate and you can see them.

Make sure you always click the Save Changes button afterwards. So you don't lose what you just typed and have to redo.

When you click " Make Suggestions for this entry" instead of just the "Edit this Entry", your changes go to the help desk and sit there waiting for an approval on your updates and changes. We may not see the request right away, if you do and if we approve those changes and other new changes afterward might get lost, which makes it a pain in the pork roast to have to redo. Hilarious!

If your need help making sure you have the right button, holler out. I know my puter won't do it, but we have folks who can take a screen shot pic and circle or make an arrow to show you the right link to click.

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