Cottage Gardening forum: 2014 Seed Swap Chatter #4

 
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Imagetcs1366
Dec 10, 2014 3:58 AM CST
Name: Terese
Leesburg, FL zone9b
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
too cute on the Warthogs. I always say... God made babies cute for a reason...

anyhooo -- I'll be MIA all day today, I'll check in tonight. have fun on your last day.
Terese -- Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi
My Email is my userID at hotmail.com

ImageJonnaSudenius
Dec 10, 2014 3:58 AM CST
Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe
I agree
Imagejoseph
Dec 10, 2014 11:17 AM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
Up for oinking is a Possible Seedless Watermelon.

I have been working for a few years on a project to develop seedless watermelons. My strategy is to grow together a diploid, and a possible tetraploid. Some percentage of the offspring can be expected to be seedless if the conversion to tetraploid was successful. This particular part of the project is really about confirming the conversion. It only takes one seedless melon to verify that it was successful.

So the oink consists of two packets of seeds. 1) A diploid round striped melon with yellow flesh. It is one of the best performing melons in my landrace development project. 2) A possibly tetraploid version of Charleston Grey. It is a strain that has been grown by my daddy for decades. It is oblong and colored a light green. The flesh is red.

Seedless melons are expected to be blocky (midway between round and oblong), and have striped skin, and orange fleshed.

Both sets of seeds should be planted close together or even inter-planted. Melons that are off-type may be seedless. So a striped melon in the tetrapoid row may be seedless. And a non-round melon in the diploid row may be seedless.

I am very interested in feedback on this project.... Did you get any seedless watermelons? Any pictures to share?

In the worst case scenario, the conversion failed and you are growing two of the best performing melons that have emerged from my landrace development project. In a best case scenario, you find some seedless watermelons, and can save seeds from both parents, and replant them in equal numbers and continue with your own strain of seedless watermelons. My diploid melon could be substituted out for any other round striped melon.

For maximum numbers of seedless melons the two strains should be inter-planted closely. For ease of observing what is going on, rows side-by-side might be better. In theory it should be obvious which is which. The way I generated the seed, either row might contain seedless melons.

Here's what the parents of the cross looked like. Seedless melons aught to be striped and have a shape midway between the parents.
Thumb of 2014-12-10/joseph/c84ed3
Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
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Imagegreene
Dec 10, 2014 11:44 AM CST
Name: greene
Savannah, Georgia, USA
Does anyone have seeds for the Cockscomb sometimes called 'Brain Celosia'
Botanical Name: Celosia argentea var. cristata

I don't even know if this plant makes viable seeds. Thanks.
plantnutz
Dec 10, 2014 12:09 PM CST
Name: Brenda
7b
How many oinks can we have now? Where does that get posted? For some reason, it eludes me.

Thanks,
Brenda
Imagewildflowers
Dec 10, 2014 12:12 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Plantnutz, we are at ~ 135 oink limit.
FAITH over fear!

Imagestarlight1153
Dec 10, 2014 12:12 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Joseph What nice looking watermelons. I never did buy a watermelon this year that was sweet. They all went out the backdoor and feed the critters. I know it was all from the weather down here and farmers harvesting way to early trying to get the edge on the market, but some things, especially like watermelons, you just can't rush.

For me to try and grow melons, I think I would have to build a simple little cage over the fruits to keep the critters from eating them.

I have seen pics of designs for folks to build trellis to grow watermelons up off the ground, not only to save space, but to help keep critters from getting at them. The vines go every which way up the trellis and around it and as the fruit starts to get big, a piece of wood is added to the trellis to hold the fruits so they don't strain so much from hanging.
ImageAndi
Dec 10, 2014 12:28 PM CST
Name: aka GardenQuilts
Facebook, NGA
and the beloved Winston the pug
I thought we had 133 oinks. Guess I missed the two new ones?

I was contemplating my last oink #133.
ImageAndi
Dec 10, 2014 12:29 PM CST
Name: aka GardenQuilts
Facebook, NGA
and the beloved Winston the pug
Here are some warm recipies for a snowy, cold day...

http://www.yummly.com/recipes/yellow-eye-bean-soup
Imagewildflowers
Dec 10, 2014 12:31 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Yes, yesterday Starlight gave us Two more oinks. Thumbs up
FAITH over fear!

Imagewildflowers
Dec 10, 2014 12:34 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Here's the post: http://cubits.org/ellasgarden/thread/view_post/1106782/
FAITH over fear!

ImageSorellina
Dec 10, 2014 12:52 PM CST
Name: Julianna
Victoria, BC USDA Zone 8
Aw, the Baker Creek catalogue. Mine's several years old because they won't send free ones up here. I'll see if Mom can send me one in one of her famous CARE parcels from California. That one's my favourite and next is Seed Savers Exchange and after that is Tomato Growers Supply. There's something about curling up in bed or on the couch with a cup of tea, my seed catalogues, and my highlighter that really appeals to me in the dead of winter. Looking at websites doesn't do it for me. It's also why I'll never get a Kindle. I'm a page-turner. Sticking tongue out
Grazie a tutti,
Julianna
ImageRickCorey
Dec 10, 2014 1:10 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Pacific NorthWet Zone 8a
Julianna said:
>> I'll have a whole boatload of Komatsuna to offer next year. I can't promise it will be true because I do plant a lot of Asian brassicas together, but it would be fun to grow out and see for any adventurous gardeners.

I'm looking forward to next year! The rogue "Kama Sutra x ?" might be the most interesting plants ... I mean "Komatsuna x ?"

Joseph,

Now I understand. Brassica's demanding thirst is one of the things that got me to set up a tiny irrigation system. This may also explain why one of my earliest Brassica crops was my best. That bed was only shallowly amended over clay, but had sufficient nutrients. Maybe the clay held more water near the surface than later beds did, and the Bok Choy liked that.

It was sure frustrating to improve the soil and see the Brassicas do less well. I think I may also be accumulating some soil pathogens, thoguh the plants never look ILL, just grow slower.


Baker Creek Rare seeds also has larger packets that may be a better deal for seed traders than the small packets. You have to look for "Bulk Vegetables", which is listed as if it were a vegetable type of its own.

"Vegetables" | (scroll down to the bottom) | "Bulk Vegetables"
http://www.rareseeds.com/store/vegetables/bulk-vegetables/
Imagejoseph
Dec 10, 2014 2:08 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

To those of you trying the possibly seedless watermelon. If you get seedless melons and you want to save seeds from the parents that would be fine. They will continue producing seedless melons in the future. If you wanted to increase the odds of getting seedless plants you could do manual cross pollinations between the plain oblong parent and the round striped parent. Or remove the male flowers from one or the other parent.

Also, the round parent has a recessive plain-skin gene hiding inside. So I'd recommend saving seeds from round fruits only if they are striped.

Good luck! and have fun. I've sure enjoyed this project. Thank you for being test subjects! Big Yellow Grin
Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
Imagewildflowers
Dec 10, 2014 2:19 PM CST
Name: Christine
Northeast Texas, Zone 7b
Thank you for the info, Joseph! It's great to learn so much from you!
FAITH over fear!

Imagejoseph
Dec 10, 2014 2:38 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
Watermelons end up seedless because the chromosome numbers don't match up. One parent has 2 sets DNA and the other has 4 sets, so each reproduces normally, but if a plant with 2 sets crosses with a plant with 4 sets then that leaves a plant with 3 sets of DNA which is sterile and thus seedless.

The reason to grow a striped melon as the diploid parent and a plain melon as the tetraploid parent is that the striped trait is dominant. So it is easy to go out into a field of plain melons and know that the striped melons should be seedless triploids.

The round/oblong trait ends up manifesting as a blocky melon. Again another visual clue to know which melons are seedless without cutting them open.

Commercially, the hybrids are made in a way that nearly every seed will produce a seedless melon. That's too much work for me, so I grow them side-by-side and hope for some natural hybrids.

Of course, the conversion to tetraploid could have failed, and then there won't be any seedless fruits.... I feel so risky offering this seed as soon as it's available rather than waiting a year or two. But whatever, I've fully disclosed the risks.
Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
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Imagetcs1366
Dec 10, 2014 2:44 PM CST
Name: Terese
Leesburg, FL zone9b
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Somewhere in north Georgia, and DH just reminded me we need a Rosemary shrub.

Does anyone have seeds for rosemary?


Thx, ill check back in a few hrs.

Terese -- Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi
My Email is my userID at hotmail.com

Imagetcs1366
Dec 10, 2014 2:45 PM CST
Name: Terese
Leesburg, FL zone9b
Wisconsin Dells Area, zone4
Shoot... Wrong thread....
Terese -- Leesburg, FL & Lake Delton, Wi
My Email is my userID at hotmail.com

Mindy03
Dec 10, 2014 2:59 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Delta KY
I'm A Charley's Girl For Sure
Terese I can give you some rosemary seeds. I kept back a pack in case I needed it.
Imagegardengus
Dec 10, 2014 5:39 PM CST
Name: Cinda
Indiana Zone 5a
Truth is worth finding
Thumb of 2014-12-10/gardengus/052912


greene

Is this the plant you are looking for?
It is tall 3-4 foot Thumb of 2014-12-10/gardengus/239f3d

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