Cottage Gardening forum: 2014 Seed Swap Chatter #5.........ANTICIPATION

 
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ImageArleneB
Jan 6, 2015 8:05 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
I have made marshmallow before, a long time ago, but not with the plant, just with sugar, corn syrup and egg whites. Messy.
ImageMistirose
Jan 6, 2015 9:41 AM CST
Name: Misti
Fate, TX
I didnt attempt it with it, I just did a lot of reading on it.

I do make my own marshmallows every Christmas with a regular mixer. The recipe uses Gelatin which is what helps them be fluffy.
Imagestarlight1153
Jan 6, 2015 10:39 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
I just went out to check on how plants did last night and from them couple of warm days we had from all the rain I have Daylilies up all over the place. They gonna hit hard with arctic blast for sure. Hate it cuz it probably gonna destroy all their resting buds.

Checked gh . Gotta get plastic throwed over them plants later today. Plastic that was on is all torn and ripped to heck, only have cheescloth left on top. At least the sides are covered good. Got the prettiest Scabiosa plants just having a field day and looking all nice and full and balloon flowers still all green and growing along with Homestead verbena.

Wish they would have looked as good during summer as they do now. Just glad they survived the mess of last winter and news said we almost to the day having same kinda weather as we had last year this time.

I hope this moves out fast for all of us but heard as fast as this one does we got another one coming in.

Has anybody tried growing carrots in a window box pot before? I can't put them in the ground cuz the underground critters eat them up. Wondering if a window box them plastic ones would work or not.

I hope everybody safe and warm through this mess.
EricaBraun
Jan 6, 2015 11:04 AM CST
Name: Erica Braun
Benicia, CA
Ella -- I haven't grow carrots in containers, but I've heard that people have good results doing it. Here's a video I found on YouTube where the guy uses a container that is basically similar size and shape to a window box: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45B_eRdGfnM
Imagegardengus
Jan 6, 2015 11:34 AM CST
Name: Cinda
Indiana Zone 5a
Truth is worth finding
I haven't grown carrots in a window box but I have grown them in a small water tank , they do well . Because of the depth of soil(12'') I stick with the smaller type of carrots or the little round ones.

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six inches of fresh snow here and 10 degrees
ImageMistirose
Jan 6, 2015 11:43 AM CST
Name: Misti
Fate, TX
If they are shorter carrots they may do well. I have also heard of people using wire fencing (chicken wire?) or other cage type things under ground to keep the critters from getting to them.
ImageArleneB
Jan 6, 2015 11:45 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
I've grown carrots in an old round galvanized tub because of our clay and they do well. The shoerter carrots will do best in a window box.
Imagecritterologist
Jan 6, 2015 11:57 AM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
MD
Finally found my way to the chat thread... I knew I couldn't afford to spend time here until my seeds were done, LOL. Box went out yesterday, but via UPS so it will arrive quickly & safely... I have much better luck with UPS than USPS for packages! Sorry to be such a late piggy. I did manage a fairly full box... about 250 packs final count. I think i sent double that one year, but I did little collecting this year. I put in a good number of pass-along seeds from other people, including some from previoius piggie swaps.

Joyanna likes to collect seeds, but she & her friends like to "plant" them right away. Hopefully next year we'll do better at actually saving seeds to share!


I put 5 packs of a few (fresh) seeds rather than just 3, because I didn't reread the directions... but my Part 2 box had extra packs (not counting the veggies), so that should make up the difference. I also included 40 packs of "last chance" veggie seed that I thought should still grow, maybe with reduced germination %, but I knew I wouldn't be using it. If you get some, either sow a bit thickly & thin if needed, or sow in a tray (or pre-sprout in a baggie), then plant out. I know Star says local folks can always use misc. seed for veggie gardens, too, so figured it was better to send than to toss.


Part of why I'm mentioning all this is to remind everybody that seed that's a few years old will still do fine (assuming it wasn't kept in a hot attic). At our local swap, we always get a few new people unsure about sowing anything dated more than a year ago. Seed companies write "packed for 2015" on seeds collected in 2014 -- and often on seeds much older than that, although hopefully they've tested germination.

Under 5 years, you probably won't notice any difference from fresh seed. 5 to 10 years, germination % will probably drop off, but you'll still get something. Many seeds are worth a try even if they're older than that. I read recently that bigger seeds last longer, which is why I offered some old pumpkin & gourd seeds. For most perennials, I figure I only need 1 or 2 to grow & survive. Even for annuals, one or two is enough to give you plenty of seeds for the following year.

There are exceptions... some seeds need to be fresh, even still moist, in order to germinate.. but the above holds for the majority of garden plants.

My favorite thing to tell people when they ask, is this seed still good, do you think it's too late to plant this bulb, is this plant dormant or dead, etc...

If you don't plant it, then it definitely won't grow! Hilarious!
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Imagecritterologist
Jan 6, 2015 12:00 PM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
MD
Star, i think your DLs should still bloom fine... mine send up foliage long before flower buds. I have sprouting daffs & tulips all over and kep wanting to tell them -- Go Back! GO BACK!!!
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Imagejoseph
Jan 6, 2015 12:17 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
starlight1153 wrote:chchchchchchchchch... brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Is there anybody who is not a frozen popsickle this morning?


That would be me. I'm enjoying a balmy 36F right now. Skies are overcast, which leads to warmer temperatures without such intense radiant cooling. The snow started melting yesterday, and it just got warmer during the night. It's startling to go into the greenhouse and have the temperature be cooler inside than out. It got down to 7F a few days ago, so the greenhouse stores the cold as well as the heat.



Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
ImageJonnaSudenius
Jan 6, 2015 12:18 PM CST
Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe
Ella, I can't grow carrots in the garden (the soil is too heavy in my vegetable garden), so I grow them in 10 liter buckets or in a wide container that's deep enough for carrots.
In your zone 8a, you can start them now outside, just cover the containers with plasticuntil they germinate. Carrot seedlings are not frost tender.
If you want to sow them indoors, place the container on a cool place, they don't like heat.
As soon as the soil is frost free, you can also plant peas and broad beans, they are not frost tender either.
Imagecritterologist
Jan 6, 2015 12:19 PM CST
Name: Critter (Jill)
MD
SNOW DAY here today! Joyanna is off with her friends, sliding down the hill by the elementary school (not very big but the biggest we have in the neighborhood). We have just a couple inches of white fluff, enough to make it very pretty outside!
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ImageArleneB
Jan 6, 2015 12:20 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
I have had lettuce seeds ten years old germinate. You'll never know unless you plant them!
Imagejoseph
Jan 6, 2015 12:41 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

One year my farmer's market didn't have carrots... The reason is that we had an unusually intense cold spell after the carrots had germinated. 17 F if I recall properly. It killed many outright. Those that survived had gotten so cold that they were triggered into going directly to seed without making a root first. Most years they do fine in the cold. Just not that particular cold.

Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
ImageJonnaSudenius
Jan 6, 2015 12:54 PM CST
Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe
Joseph I have the same experience with my unheated greenhouse, but the big advantage having plants over there, is that it won't be too wet and there is no wind

Now it's here 10F during the night, 25F during the day, a variable snowcover, of 1 inch - 10 inch, that because of the heavy wind we had here.

Imagejoseph
Jan 6, 2015 2:43 PM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity
About a week ago we had our once in 5 year wind storm. 35 to 65 mile per hour winds for a day and a half, and cold! Brrr. I had screwed the greenhouse panels to the frame, but that didn't stop one of them from blowing off, and others from flapping like crazy all night long. Bang. BANG. BANG!!!

In the morning I put the door back on, retrieved the lost panel, and screwed things down better. I did the bare minimum. Did I mention that it was super cold and blowing like the dickens? At least it didn't blow apart. I added lots of extra strengtheners to the structure, and more fasteners. I was so embarrassed by the following photo that I spent the morning today cleaning the greenhouse.

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Today I planted day-neutral strawberry seeds and true potato seeds into the dirt in the greenhouse. I'm thinking of it as an expanded winter-sown grow box.
Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
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ImageJonnaSudenius
Jan 6, 2015 2:59 PM CST
Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe
Our greenhouses are not bought, but my husband made them of leftovers, there are doors with glass in wood and panels of wood with glass, so it's much stronger. One of the greenhouse has even partly double glass. The only failure we made was with the roof. 2 years ago it collapsed due to the heavy snow that came of the roof of our house.

Here is a picture of the one with the not so strong roof. At the top is the container with water we collect from the water gutter (1,000 liter)
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ImageArleneB
Jan 6, 2015 3:26 PM CST
Name: Arlene
Grantville, GA
Thumbs up Great idea for the water collecting in the GH Jonna. We had build many a temporary greenhouse before we finally broke down and purchased one. Most times the inside of mine looks much like Joseph's. I can walk in it now but when seedlings begin to be put out, all space is fair game.
ImageJonnaSudenius
Jan 6, 2015 3:45 PM CST
Name: Jonna
Belgium, Europe
Our GH is a bit different from the average ones. My husband made shelves of alluminium, so most of the plants are on shelves in pots.
First there are only containers with seeds and seedlings on the shelves, later plants in containers or buckets. There are a few spots with soil on the bottom and a big deep shelve with soil.

The containers with water are really needed here. It's not only very handy for watering the plants in the greenhouse, but we have sometimes drought periods and we are not allowed to use water for the garden during that. We have a big container in each greenhouse, but also a well that is filled with water from the roofs. No single raindrop that falls on the roofs is spoiled this way. I never water the whole garden, I prefer that the plants learn to live with dry periods. But young plants can't do that, so I water only those ones during dry periods. And sometimes also my grown up Primula's and some other plants need extra water.
Imagestarlight1153
Jan 6, 2015 4:16 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Fantastic suggestions for growing the carrots. Thank you all! Big Grin

I didn't realize carrots could take the cold like that. I do think I am going to wait til these arctic blast are over though. We gonna be at 1F and a high for me around 15-18F on thursday. Too bitter of cold to be outside for me. I just starting to feel human again and sure don't want to get sick worse. This working towards two months of flu and colds and the crud. Nose still dripping like a water faucet, but at least the coughing has let up some.

Joseph.. I am surprised yoru gh didn't blow away the whole frame. GH are so nice but boy they a pain in the snow belt with having to keep roof cleared so they don't collapse.

I built mine out of 4" x 4"s and 2" x 4" that I found folks had thrown out. Somebody else threw out chicken wire. BAsically all I had to do was get it built and buy the plastic . That what expensive is the plastic needs replaced every year. Our winds and tree limbs and evrything else under the sun, plus heat and cold cracking , it doesn't last.

Your is nice too Jonna with that water tank. Til not too many months ago mine looked like a tornado went threw it. I had to replace all the pallets as the others shattered when mine collaped from winter Bad thing is I still have a couple of boards that hang from ground to roof and right now there is nothing I can do about it. We tried to pull those boards loose , but they nailed in under frame they was support braces that collapsed.

Cinda... Your pic would make a pretty postcard. I love looking at snow scenes. That is looking at, not being in. Hilarious! Looks so peaceful. Big Grin

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