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Imagestarlight1153
Jan 25, 2015 10:52 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
She sent me back cmail and I will be adding her pics as yep you were right it is closed.
Imagestarlight1153
Jan 25, 2015 11:27 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
ok folks.. you can now read the article in its entirety and also look at the pics.

http://cubits.org/ellasgarden/thread/view/81140/

Thanks for letting me know it wasn't showing folks.
poisondartfrog
Jan 26, 2015 6:30 AM CST
Name: Alana
Kentucky
Yeehaw! First piggy seed germination this morning. I think the Black Velvet Rose Pelargonium came from Mindy. After a quick warm water soak and sowing Friday night I have green sprouts this morning. Squeal, oink, squeal. Happy piggy here.
Imagechelle
Jan 26, 2015 6:58 AM CST
Name: Michele Roth
N.E. Indiana
poisondartfrog wrote:Yeehaw! First piggy seed germination this morning. I think the Black Velvet Rose Pelargonium came from Mindy. After a quick warm water soak and sowing Friday night I have green sprouts this morning. Squeal, oink, squeal. Happy piggy here.


Hurray! Thumbs up Hurray!
Imagestarlight1153
Jan 26, 2015 7:18 AM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Boy that was a fast pregnancy. Hilarious! Isn't it so much fun being a new mama. Thumbs up

I still haven't decided which things I will start first. It is just so hard to decide with out crazy weather and if we get a long cold blast there is only so much room under the lights. Plenty of room for seed starting and tiny sprouts, but once they have to be transplanted it only takes a few bigger pots to hog the whole shelf up with.

It sure would be nice if there was a place you could go other than Almanac and see exactly temps for weather for next two months at least. Looking at last yeras numbers doesn't help really because we had that blizzard and sub-zero temps for us , which is not the norm.

I still have to clean up boxes and note cards and papers and everything else from swap before I can even think of starting something. Probably work on that today as I get some energy since we gonna have cool and very windy temps today.

I sure hope the folks all up the east coast stay safe and that you prepared in the past couple of days for the blizzard snows and winds coming your way. I sure it doesn't last long, but more importantly I hope you all don't lose your power so you can stay warm.

If you have to shovel snow, please becareful you don't injure yourselves and stay out of the mess as much as ya can. Please check back in when your in the more or less all clear, so I know ya all safe and sound .

Oh, I know what I was going to ask. I was reading back of one of the beet packages and it said it is a biennial. Does that mean I have to wait two years before I get a beet? And another dumb question, with the talk of the sugar cane and sorghum don't folks make sugar from beets too?

Erica Thanks for that link on the Sorghum processing. I ran through the posts and other ideas folks posted too. I laughed my head off at the one using the old wringer washing machines. I remember when I was a kid and decided to see how it worked and ran my arm through the machine and it caused it to jam and they had to call fire department to come break it loose to get my arm out. So for that idea, I wonder if it would work or not and from what I gather those canes are tough like bamboo.

A friend was telling me something abotu how with the Sorghum that it puts out alternating buds and that you can make like a one inch cut in the middle on either side of the bud.

The boiling method in that link sounded like the easiest way to go, just have to watch it like a hawk.
Imagepmb2005
Jan 26, 2015 8:33 AM CST
Name: Promise
Zone 7a Tennessee
Erica the homemade sugar cane syrup had me about drooling! We're going to have to try that one. Is sugar cane the same as sorghum? Please excuse me if that question is dense. I thought they were 2 different things. Can this process be used for sorghum?

I've read about the tulle covering plants to isolate pepper and tomato seeds. I will have to look into that. Are you basically making a bag of tulle to cover the plant and buds before they flower?

Still researching drip irrigation system. Very confusing! Don't want to waste my money on a crappy system.

Alana are you winter sowing? I'd imagine your weather is similar to mine. I'm concerned there's not enough winter left to properly stratify seeds.

Ella my plant stand is filling up in a hurry! I did find some decent shop lights at Walmart for $10, but now I know the the fixture isn't as pricey as the bulbs!!!

Cheers to being a mad scientist of horticulture! Hilarious! Thumbs up
Imagegardengus
Jan 26, 2015 8:49 AM CST
Name: Cinda
Indiana Zone 5a
Truth is worth finding
Beets produce a root crop the first year , the bi-annual thing is if you are waiting for seeds. Also on beets the thing that looks like a seed is usually a cluster of seeds so more than one seedling will come from the planted seed they need to be thinned to get a nice plump beet. Good thing the little tops are great in salad . Use a scissor or pinch don't pull and disrupt the remaining baby beet. Sow early 6 weeks before last frost , they can handle cool soil and do not grow well in the heat of summer. They can also be grown as a fall crop.

Still waiting on spring here 3 inches of fresh snow and 14 as I type

Cinda
Weedwhacker
Jan 26, 2015 9:14 AM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
"Oh, I know what I was going to ask. I was reading back of one of the beet packages and it said it is a biennial. Does that mean I have to wait two years before I get a beet? And another dumb question, with the talk of the sugar cane and sorghum don't folks make sugar from beets too? "

Ella, Cinda's absolutely right about the young beet tops being great in salads, and also great for cooking like spinach if you have lots of them! The beets that are used for making sugar are actual "sugar beets," they aren't red, and they're big things kind of like the size of a rutabaga -- up here they use them for deer feed/bait during hunting season, and they're also used for cattle feed. There's a big sugar beet processing plant in lower Michigan (Bay City, near L. Huron); I actually googled a while back to see if it was possible to make sugar from them at home and it is, but sounds pretty labor intensive... I'll see if I can find the article about it again and post the link ! Smiling
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
Weedwhacker
Jan 26, 2015 9:41 AM CST
Name: Sandy B.
Michigan UP (Zone 4b or 5a)
Here are 3 links for home processing sugar beets -- the first one has info from Joseph, so maybe he'll jump in with additional tips:

http://idigmygarden.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57445

This one has a pretty thorough discussion about the process: http://americanpreppersnetwork.com/2012/12/how-to-make-your-... (interestingly, you can apparently use the tops of the sugar beets like collard greens.)

From Richter's Herbs: https://www.richters.com/show.cgi?page=InfoSheets/d1340.html
"I am still learning"~~ Michelangelo
National Gardening Association
Imagejoseph
Jan 26, 2015 10:28 AM CST
Name: Joseph
Cache Valley Great Basin
Landrace: locally-adapted diversity

Sugar beets produce a bulb the first growing season. They are harvested for sugar in the fall of the first year. The second growing season they flower. Hybrid sugar beets (almost all of them) are male sterile so they won't produce seeds. Find an open pollinated strain if you want to save seeds.

The lime used to precipitate goop is the same as used for nixtamalizing corn. I love dual purpose stuff.
Author of Mother Earth News Blog about Landrace Gardening: http://www.motherearthnews.com/search.aspx?tags= Lofthouse
EricaBraun
Jan 26, 2015 12:00 PM CST
Name: Erica Braun
Benicia, CA
Ella -- That's quite a story about you and the old wringing machine. I have read that you can use it for processing sugar cane, but it's probably not intended for processing arms!

Promise -- Sorghum and Sugar Cane are two different things. I plan on trying both this year. The sorghum I'll do from seed, but the cane, from what I gather, is best done from cuttings. I was lucky enough to get my hands on some cane a couple months ago. Recently I planted the pieces that had rooted. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on that one.

Weed -- Thanks for the links on processing sugar beets. That's probably a pretty interesting one to try, as well.
Imagestarlight1153
Jan 26, 2015 1:11 PM CST
Name: starlight1153 Zone 8a/b
AL.
Promise
Quoting:I've read about the tulle covering plants to isolate pepper and tomato seeds. I will have to look into that. Are you basically making a bag of tulle to cover the plant and buds before they flower?


When I first tired to bag peppers and tomatoes, I did it so wrong. I had these tulle bags tha weren't any bigger than our seed baggies. I tired a draw string, I tried using tie twisties and couldn't get the little bags to stay on around the buds no matter what. Than I went and asked Patti what I was doing wrong. Told her of the problems I was having. That's when I found out you need to use big tulle bags.

You also don't try and bag single buds like I was doing. You bag the whole cluster of blossoms and draw the string or tie fairly tight around the end of the branch where the buds are. First few tries I had to redo. It was worse than trying to put a diaper on a squirming baby. The branch wouldn't hold still. I couldn't get the bud part in the bag. I didn't get the bag tight enough and the wind blew it off. It was a challenge, but I kept at it, and than finally got the hang of it.

As I was taught, I start putting bags on when I see the buds and right before they open. Once they are opened there is no need to bag, because by then when you weren't looking anything could have come and pollinated the plant. So if that happens you skip that set of buds and wait til next set comes on and try and bag it.

Cinda Thanks for the information. I was doing a mild panic thinking how and the heck am I going to keep a veggie alive and growing here for two years. It's hard to make it through our conditions for one growing season. Aggggggg that way to much snow. Be nice if it not cold out to go sledding for a day, but that about it.

Sany Thanks for weighing in. I could just see me trying to take these beets and squish them into juice for making sugar. I make enough of a mess just with everyday things, would have been my luck to try it with eating beets and end up permanently dyed rainbow colors from all the different types of beets I received. Whistling Hilarious! And belive me. It can happen to me. Rolling on the floor laughing

I think as I get the chance, I am going to go back through and copy and quatoe and paste some of the information on some of these veggies and start new threads and paste them in the Veggie Forum

http://cubits.org/ellasgarden/forums/view/veggies/

Maybe , also if folks think about it, besides posting here, post also or start a new thread and post in the above forum. The reason being is there like 400 posts before the threads are changed and it almost impossible for somebody to find info that folks post unless you read all 400 posts.

Or if you don't feel like posting in both places, just post in other forums and post a link here for folks to jump to there and chat.

Alrighty, went back over 400 posts and got what beet posts I could quoted. At least now when I or somebody else wants to know about a beet, we can find it easy under one topic.

http://cubits.org/ellasgarden/thread/view/81146/

If you have more advice for anybody trying, please feel free to add your thoughts and comments. Big Grin



ImageAndi
Jan 26, 2015 2:57 PM CST
Name: aka GardenQuilts
Facebook, NGA
and the beloved Winston the pug
My box is here! I refrained from hugging the mailman, but I thanked him for the extra trouble delivering my boxes. Happy piggy dancing in the snow! I am finishing my work so that I can play with the seeds. It is taking lot of willpower.

It is snowing here. I have been out clearing a path to the road several times. A wonderful neighbor plowed part of my driveway for me, including the heavy stuff at the end of the driveway left by the snowplow. I plan on making him a pan of brownies tonight once I finish my work (before I open my piggy envelop! )

We are getting more snow all week. I am glad that it is snow instead of ice. Winston the pug is sleeping on a padded footstool between my desk and the heater. Every once in a while, he rolls over in his sleep and falls off the stool. He is so cute. I'll take a picture once I clean up the mess under my desk - it has been a crazy day here.

He is becoming a trouper about winter walks. The snow is taller than Winston, so we stick to the roads. He has been eagerly exploring the neighborhood. Our summertime nature walking paths are covered in deep snow (at least until someone with a snowmobile takes a joyride). It is nice to be able to walk around without being bothered by many cars.
plantnutz
Jan 26, 2015 3:49 PM CST
Name: Brenda
7b
So glad you checked in. Are you in Juno's path?

So happy you got your seeds and other boxes! What a bummer to have crummy postal service! We had the same carrier for years and we loved her! She retired last year and our mail is now later and later.
ImageAndi
Jan 26, 2015 4:14 PM CST
Name: aka GardenQuilts
Facebook, NGA
and the beloved Winston the pug
Sending my work, now I just have to bake brownies for the neighbor who plowed my driveway and something for me. Then I can FINALLY look at my piggy seeds.

The snow is piling up, but I have a fire in the fireplace. The power/phones/internet are working. Water is flowing in the pipes. Other people in the northeast may want to keep their faucets dribbling overnight this week. We are supposed to be back to single digit temperatures at night.
ImageAndi
Jan 26, 2015 4:31 PM CST
Name: aka GardenQuilts
Facebook, NGA
and the beloved Winston the pug
I am glad that the link had pictures of bagging tomato and pepper seeds. I was thinking about little bags also.

I wish I would get enough pepper plants growing full size to worry about cross pollination. If I plant decorative hot peppers in other parts of the garden to keep the bunnies/deer away, how far from the veggie garden to not worry about my sweet peppers getting "hot." Maybe I should bag each sweet pepper plant? If I manage to find a variety that performs in my garden, I want to be certain I can sow (and share) the seeds the following year. I have had difficulty getting sweet peppers to grow big enough to get any peppers at all. I got three last year from a purchased Carmen plant, what a delicacy (and some peppers from a neighbor from which I saved and shared some seed).
poisondartfrog
Jan 26, 2015 4:52 PM CST
Name: Alana
Kentucky
Promise, I do a modicum of wintersowing; mostly seeds that need prolonged stratification. I think of late January as the deepest into the season I will try it. By now I have moved on to other sowing anyway.
ImageAndi
Jan 26, 2015 4:58 PM CST
Name: aka GardenQuilts
Facebook, NGA
and the beloved Winston the pug
Weedwacker, I thought of you when I saw this...
http://www.weather.com/travel/news/frozen-lighthouses-lake-m...

Juno has the weather reporters hyperventillating. I turned off my weather radio, it was getting on my nerves with constant emergency alerts. We are expecting at least a foot of NEW snow. We already have about 8 inches of old snow. It is also going to be very windy. The buses won't be running tomorrow. Lots of places are closing already. There is yet more snow expected by the end of the week.

I dragged the filled but unplanted wintersowing containers inside to plant before they get lost in the snow. I had to use the shovel to pry a couple of the trays off the picnic table. I also have some potting mix and vermiculite rescued from the unheated garage. The laundry room is very crowded at the moment. Trays of sown soda bottles will be heading back outside to stratify and germinate asap! Fun times! They neighbors are curious about the soda bottles. The consensus is that it won't work. Will they ever be surprised this spring!

The organic mousetrap aka stray outdoor cat is in the crawl space under my desk. She heard me drop some food in her bowl outside and waited for me to come back inside before sneaking over to eat. She got a little scared when I came back out with some water in a bowl, but didn't run far away. She is doing her job! I have no signs or sounds of rodents in the house. There is a line of kitty footprints (and no rodent footprints) in the snow each morning.
ImageLeBug
Jan 26, 2015 5:57 PM CST
Name: LeBug 6b
Greenville, In.
Andi glad you finally got your seeds Hurray!

I went hunting for soil less mix last weekend to WS in and no luck!!! The nursery I usually get it from wouldn't sell lit to me this time??? So need to find someone else it isn't that easy to get in this neck of the woods not everyone sells it and when I'm in town I'm limited on time being I have to be at the cat lady's at 3 Grumbling

Soon as I get a chance I'm going to go where the farmers go to get their plants hoping they will sell me some and wasn't planning on getting in the piggy swap this year so took all of my gal. jugs about 5 bags of them to the recycle place so now need to go get a few back Rolling on the floor laughing I've saved some half gal. jugs but they just aren't big enough for me thank goodness I wasn't a real piggy this year! If I can't find any guess I'll just buy seed starting mix and use that but that could really get expensive!

I do have a bag of soda bottles but the bottoms are so hard afraid I'll drill my fingers while drilling holes in them but may try a few I figure I can sow individual seeds in those then just plant them.
ImageRickCorey
Jan 26, 2015 6:17 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Pacific NorthWet Zone 8a
Weedwhacker wrote:
RickCorey, wouldn't it be awfully easy just to BUY some GA-3 ?? Rolling on the floor laughing


Yup, totally!

"Or buy some pure GA-3 ...

$5 - free shipping? - http://www.mbferts.com/GA3-Gibberellic-Acid_c21.htm

$4 + S&H - just powder - http://www.rarexoticseeds.com/en/gibberellic-acid-powder-ga3... "

But the original question was how to roll-your-own, and I can totally identify with someone who likes Frank Sinatra's song "I did it MY way!"

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